There is an auction taking place in AB in September and I am wondering if any of these pedigrees stand out for jumper lines:
http://www.albertadowns.com/assets/race-horse-sale-inside-sheet.pdf
I am in no way associated with the auction and am not trying to advertise, just looking for info on thoroughbred bloodlines
That’s a lot to look through. Do you have a subset you are interested in to make it easier for people to comment?
My advice would be to look through the recent threads where vineyridge has commented. Some of those threads have a lot of useful information on stallions to look for in the pedigree. Another questions is what is the intended use for the horse? Dressage? Jumping? Eventing? do you want a filly or a colt, etc?
Not a pedigree expert, but if I were shopping I’d be looking at:
Complete Go
Havre De Place
Hazels Brew
Quiet Confidence
That’s a Bingo
Too bad I can’t be shopping right now 
I would snatch up Kiss Me Perfect! and then ship her to me, please!!
i also like Ballet Corps! Come on … Royal Academy, Daylami and Irish River??
Send this one to me too
If you’re looking for some distance blood, check out Complete Go by Go For Gin.
Check out Jessica’s Candy. Candy Ride always intrigued me and the distaff (back to 3rd dam) is nice.
Purely from a reines-de-course stand point, Lovely Jane has the wonder mares Miesque and Weekend Surprise through the sire, Mingun. He’s small and I suspect his foals were too, but this particular mare ran until 9 and is apparently retiring sound. That speaks volumes!
if you like big, check out the Cahill Road mare Make Some Noise. Pay particular attention to her front legs, though. CR had some really crooked legs.
I don’t know about bloodlines, but I drooled over Kinda Kinda when she was on the CANTER site a few years ago. I loved her build and her small size. I already have a horse and can’t afford a second, so I never acted on her, but I saved her CANTER pic:
I still think she’s adorable. Look at the butt on her, and her expression is lovely. I hope she finds a happy home.
On paper, 2, 11, 17, 19, 29, 30, maybe 32 (she’s got Baederwood and some other nice lines), 34, 38, 42, 61 (and that’s as far as I’ve gotten) look promising for sport. Havre de Place is probably the best pedigree for sport; #2 might be a tough broad because of the double Halo but can also probably jump for the same reason, and she has a line on the bottom to the wonderful Herod line sire Blakeney. 42 has some lovely jumping lines. I also really, really like #61’s paper.
AJeventer is currently riding a horse by, IIRC, Silver Train, but I could be remembering wrong.
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i also like Ballet Corps! Come on … Royal Academy, Daylami and Irish River??
Send this one to me too
If you’re looking for some distance blood, check out Complete Go by Go For Gin.
Check out Jessica’s Candy. Candy Ride always intrigued me and the distaff (back to 3rd dam) is nice.
Purely from a reines-de-course stand point, Lovely Jane has the wonder mares Miesque and Weekend Surprise through the sire, Mingun. He’s small and I suspect his foals were too, but this particular mare ran until 9 and is apparently retiring sound. That speaks volumes![/QUOTE]
If she’s small, she might be a potential pony dam.
Wow, look at Ballet Corps with Crimson Satan on the page! Very cool.
I like Havre de Place #38, Geisha Bay #30, and Clay Pigeon #17.
Havre de Place definitely though… Look at her 5 generation pedigree here… Turn To 4x5…
She also has Damascus, Graustark, Buckpasser and Eight Thirty (further back). I do believe Eight Thirty was a Pilate son. All are nice names for sport.
And no Storm Cat or Mr. P.
Yup - definitely appealing on paper.
From a “jump” perspective, hip 82, Royal Hush, caught my attention, with Hoist the Flag and Halo still on the page.
Hip 81, Rhythm of a Dancer, I would expect to be a real hunter type.
Hip 87, Saucy Salita, I would expect to be all class by E Dubai out of a Green Dancer mare. There were a few others in there by E Dubai and I think he throws a sporty, ammy friendly type.
Of course, you have to evaluate the horse in front of you. Horse’s can’t read their paper, yada yada yada…
Best thing to do at the sales is just walk around the barn and see who catches your eye. Of course, the most expensive horse on the grounds is usually the one I fall in love with at first sight.
Royal Academy has sired successful steeplechase horses, they can jump, apparently. That’s what stood out for me here.
I wonder how Complete Go wound up at a podunk track in Alberta? She was bred by a farm in VA (Mede Cahaba) that breeds and races steeplechasers. Her half-sister Complete Number produced Complete Zen who won the Georgia Cup Hurdle and National Cup Hurdle stakes. Her dam’s half-sister Class Vim produced Class Vantage (winner of the G1 AFLAC Supreme Hurdle) and Class Bopper (multiple stakes-winning hurdler and 2010 VA-bred chaser of the year). Her pedigree as a whole is very old-fashioned, full of stayers and jumps horses. She’d be the one I’d pick.
Thanks for all of the input. I definitely agree that you have to assess the horse standing in front of you but also feel that it is good to have a base knowledge of what bloodlines tend to produce good jumpers for additional understanding and a way to help sift through that many horses.
Reading a lot of the pedigrees I find it surprising how many of these horses have ended up at the Alberta track. Some look like they were successful in the states when younger and then rather than retiring from racing ended up in Alberta, others look like they have just under performed on the track.
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AJeventer is currently riding a horse by, IIRC, Silver Train, but I could be remembering wrong.[/QUOTE]
Yes, my 2-star horse is by Silver Train out of a Lite The Fuse mare. He shows a lot of AP Indy type. I’ve seen other Silver Trains, most I like, but sometimes the dam influence is not desirable on a few of them.
Quick glance, I also like Complete Go by Go For Gin. Cormorant seems to add a nice shoulder and type for dressage movement.
Many of them may have ended up in Alberta because they don’t have the pedigrees that are fashionable in big time racing; they may not be either “pure” dirt or “pure” turf, so not as successful on either surface as they might have been if purpose bred for that surface. They are really quite a strange mix of foreign and NA bloodlines.
vineyridge would what you are saying about the dirt turf mix be somewhat of a similar concept as someone breeding warmbloods that crosses pure dressage (Weltmeyer x Donnerhall) to pure jumper (Darco x Cassini) and then wonders why the resulting foal isn’t a superstar?
Is there a significant difference in build between the dirt and turf horses? I am sorry if these sound like ignorant questions, I have realized my knowledge of thoroughbred bloodlines is severely lacking so am trying to gain a better understanding because I fully admit with thoroughbred projects in the past I have just looked at what was standing in front of me rather than doing the typical research I would do with a warmblood. It worked out ok for me with some of them, not so well with others…
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vineyridge would what you are saying about the dirt turf mix be somewhat of a similar concept as someone breeding warmbloods that crosses pure dressage (Weltmeyer x Donnerhall) to pure jumper (Darco x Cassini) and then wonders why the resulting foal isn’t a superstar?
Is there a significant difference in build between the dirt and turf horses? I am sorry if these sound like ignorant questions, I have realized my knowledge of thoroughbred bloodlines is severely lacking so am trying to gain a better understanding because I fully admit with thoroughbred projects in the past I have just looked at what was standing in front of me rather than doing the typical research I would do with a warmblood. It worked out ok for me with some of them, not so well with others…[/QUOTE]
IME, yes - very significant build differences most of the time, but some stallions can throw horses sneakily suited for either tracks: ex. Danzig or Gone West.
Example would be to look at a modern dirt horse like, say American Pharoah.
Then look at GB’s turf champion, Golden Horn.
Sprinter/stayer argument. Dr Deb Bennett has a wonderful article or two that details the difference[s] structurally between the two. When I am not on mobile, I will find it.
It really is a strange mix of bloodlines! I don’t think any of them are remarkably commercial, but I would love to see them. This is why I avoid sales, by the way. I come home with too many horses that way!
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Many of them may have ended up in Alberta because they don’t have the pedigrees that are fashionable in big time racing; they may not be either “pure” dirt or “pure” turf, so not as successful on either surface as they might have been if purpose bred for that surface. They are really quite a strange mix of foreign and NA bloodlines.[/QUOTE]
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