thought about reins

There’s been many a discussion about reins on this board over the years. Buckled or unbuckled? Bight sat upon or hung from yarn? So many thoughts!

I just had another one. I’ve just bought a pair of split Western reins in good leather, and they came with a leather “o-ring” that slides over the split ends to keep them tidy. I wondered if something similar would be an alternative to buckling the reins – keep the reins together but release readily in case of need? Has anyone tried it?

Just a thought.

Hope everyone’s having as much fun driving as we are in this autumn weather!

Dale

Well The closest thing to the western rein idea is to just insert the “blank” rein end through only the keeper of the buckle rein end (not through the buckle). Generally the rein end has a tiny flare so it might hold thru the keeper.

Have to admit - I still like my reins buckled
I used to put the little loop on the reins over my pinky finger but now Im not finding that comfortable and havent figured out again what I want to do with the ends of the reins to keep them out of the way
To make it even more complicated - our 2 horses are just enough different in length that with the same reins and cart - there is a different amount of excess rein to cope with for the 2 boys!

Use a couple of elastic bands around one rein and tuck the other through them. :slight_smile:

I have used velcroe dots on the end of the lines. You can buy them with adhesive on the back or stitch them on with a heavy sewing machine.

I use a thread to hold my lines when I am in my road cart. When I am in my marathon carriage, I unbuckle them and rebuckle on the seat adjust bar so that if I drop them, they will not fall of the carriage.

I once had a pair of Suregrip reins that had a velcro closure instead of a buckle. The velcro strips were long enough that the reins were securely attached to each other but they would have come apart readily if they needed to. I sold those reins, not because of the velcro but because the reins were too wide for my hands. They were 3/4" and I have to have 5/8". But the velcro was a nifty thing.

I’m in the ‘always buckled and sit on the extra rein’ camp when in the carriage. I don’t want anything looped around my pinkie. I have a (maybe irrational) fear of my pinkie getting pulled out of joint. :eek: When long-lining, though, my reins are always unbuckled for safety. I see people long-lining with buckled reins and it gives me the willies. I don’t want to run the risk of getting hung up in buckled long reins.

Nope. I’d never buckle driving reins and I absolutely and utterly fail to see why anyone would want to buckle them.

I only see danger is such as “buckling them in case you drop them” and for sure you shouldn’t be looping them round fingers etc… unless you don’t find broken fingers that is :wink:

For those that are worrid about “dropping reins”. Why would you drop them??? Also if you have them buckled and are subject to poor rein handling and dropping them, then you’ll be dropping both not just one !

I am one of those you refer to, Thomas. Please note that I said I buckled onto my marathon carriage. I have yet to drop a rein, lordy knows no one wants to do that. But in a hazard, things can go wrong. I have seen a 4 in hand driver ejected and all those reins were not reachable by the groom or gator. Both bailed. It had nothing to do with poor rein handling–more a case of pouring rain and something went wrong . I can;t address how the driver was ejected but it happened.

Well I certainly don’t set out to drop a rein, but with my arthritus, I sometimes do.
I use grippy reins that resemble rubber riding reins. Mine are buckled with a tiny swivel thing that allows you to get them straight without unbuckleing them. It would certainly brake if there was a need. I sit on the end.

This is always such an interesting topic, and I learn every time it comes up. Thank you all!

Thomas, you asked once before why one would lose a rein, remember? And I said because I’m a klutz? And you said Oh – well, then? :winkgrin:

Truth to tell, now that I drive one-handed most of the time I drop reins much less often. But as it makes me uneasy to have them completely disconnected, I thought that the leather loop might offer a useful alternative. The difference from just sliding a rein through the keeper of the other rein being that there’s a lot more adjustment available.

Lovely day today!

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Thomas, you asked once before why one would lose a rein, remember? And I said because I’m a klutz? And you said Oh – well, then? :winkgrin:[/QUOTE] :lol:

Truth to tell, now that I drive one-handed most of the time I drop reins much less often.
Well done on sticking to it and improving your technique and rein handling.

But as it makes me uneasy to have them completely disconnected,
I’m still not getting the point though. Drop your reins when they’re buckled and you’re going to drop both of them and the reason why you don’t have them buckled is that IF you drop them and get one caught or looped round your foot as it disappears off the carriage, then you’re going with it :no::eek:

Drop one unbuckled rein or both unbuckled reins, then you bend down and pick it up exactly as you would if it was buckled only with this “klutzyness” (is that a word??) you’ve no chance of the reins taking you with them if they’re on their way out of the carriage.

I think I said when we’ve posted on this matter before that I’ve also dropped reins occasionally: A memorable 5 times in over 50 years of driving VERY regularly.

3 times when I was a kid and learning and totally useless! A clip round the ear (which was the old fashioned training technique!) made me concentrate more and stop being so careless

Then about 13 years ago I was on medication which caused excessive cramping and that included in my hand and as a result when my hand cramped my thumbs and forefingers basically totally locked out (OUCH, OUCH, OUCH) and there went the reins. On both occasions I bent down and just picked them up. On one occasion one rein went out of the vehicle but I still had the left rein to pick up and merely stopped the horses and put a groom down to go ge it for me.

Other occasion was when I was ejected (not so much dropping, more getting thrown off with the reins in my hand!) but I managed to throw a rein (only one!!!) back into the carriage to the groom. That was such a dramatic accident though that having reins buckled/unbuckled were the least of my worries!!!

Lovely day today!
Not here. P*ing it down with rain and REALLY strong winds. To such an extent we had a lump of tree down at 4am and on a fence to destroy it!!! So I had to go move some sheep!!!

Thanks, Thomas et al. For me, the only answer to dropping reins has been one-handed driving. Won’t argue at all with anything you have said, except to repeat that some of us are dropsical. :rolleyes:

My condolences on the split rein purchase! I hate them but the keeper must make them manageable. Split western reins are meant for a finished bridle horse and I found them down right dangerous to use when direct reining and being on a trail or working with any kind of rope while mounted. Although driving presents a different set of circumstances I find buckled reins much safer.

I probed my tack repairman before I purchased my custom Beta reins about where reins seem to break. Hardware! He said the hardware gives first so if you want reins that will give before a horses leg gives throw in the hardware.

The only time I have dropped reins is when fiddling with split reins or when the horse snatches the reins out of my hands usually when being startled or spooked. I don’t recall ever dropping the lines when driving but perhaps it was a non issue because my lines were buckled!

Odds are you would drop one rein, if they are split that means you have only one rein left and the loose one is on its way to the ground. If they are buckled you can just simply pick up your rein again because it is attached.

I say try the keeper and see if you like it and if you are riding with split reins practice your one rein stop! :winkgrin:

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My condolences on the split rein purchase! I hate them but the keeper must make them manageable. Split western reins are meant for a finished bridle horse and I found them down right dangerous to use when direct reining and being on a trail or working with any kind of rope while mounted.

Odds are you would drop one rein, if they are split that means you have only one rein left and the loose one is on its way to the ground. If they are buckled you can just simply pick up your rein again because it is attached.

I say try the keeper and see if you like it and if you are riding with split reins practice your one rein stop! :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

I would recommend putting the keeper behind my hands. In front of the hands keeper would interfere with rein handling, adjustments needed during drive. I still would prefer a single driver having reins buckled, then sitting on the ends. But for experimenting, try the keeper, tell us how it goes.

In riding, my split reins are always apart, no keeper on them. Even on the finished horses, riding all day, I use two hands on them. This keeps my body in better balanced postion, both shoulders even, both hands even. Less tiring, and keeps body even over the hips, so sitting on my rear equally. Too many horses with riders twisted in the saddle using one-handed riding techniques. Give horses a sore back with so much weight on one hip over a long day.

I use long reins, 8ft, and fairly solid but not extra heavy. My current favorites are the braided nylon training reins with poppers on the end. Easy on, easy off the bridle, wash in the machine. I cross them on the withers, behind my hands or put hands on the crossed reins on withers, while riding. Hands can control and halt, or change quickly from that postition. Allows plenty of room for direct reining of young horse, neck reining on the trained horses. Rein ends stay down on horse shoulders, weighted so they are not flying up or flipping across. I NEVER run out of rein if running my hand down them for bending a baby, some length left to swing behind the saddle for forward encouragement when needed. Again, I have found this riding postion, rein hold, to be quite comfortable during all day rides. Reins stay in postion hanging down, give good grip in hands, heavy enough they don’t flop during faster work. Horses don’t seem to mind any swing or touch from long reins during riding. On a short horse, the length can be down by the knees, but taller horses like mine, usually ends about by the elbows. I couldn’t ride the way I need if I had a keeper on these split reins.

Long nylon reins have come in handy for other odd uses. I had to make a halter and lead to haul home when we got picked up at the end of a long ride. My horse went in one section of huge trailer, while the other folks horses went in the other section with bridles off!! All were still saddled. Horses knew each other, my horse was a stranger, and NOT what I wanted to put her into!

I do ride one-handed to keep horse tuned, preparing for a show. I am a lousy roper, mostly use rope to make noise on chaps or drag something in like firewood, so reins aren’t a problem there. I do carry a lariat for emergencies on trail rides. Works for pulling horses out of mud holes riders WERE NOT supposed to be watering from. I use One-Handed rein hold much less as I age, because I want the more balanced body postitions I normally use. I catch myself leading with the rein hand and shoulder. Have to be careful so horse is not confused by my wrong or twisted positions in one-handed riding. Doing a constant body check to stay correct. You can ride one way in a ring to show, tend to get body stiff staying correct for western. Ring pretty is not going to be comfortable for long rides over an hour or all day on the horse. Ring equitation is getting a very long way from practical riding, in any real using situation, English or Western. The manniquien riders I see would be helpless outside the ring, without their perfect ring horse beneath them. They are just Equitation riders, not really skilled at riding. Pretty sad to see.

Ha! Not to hijack Dales thread but my rein story is something like the Goldilocks and the Three Bears story.

Started out with new bridle for newly started filly. It came with the leather split reins, no keeper I just criss crossed the reins. I though nothing of it because I used them some as a child with no problem. Too easy to drop the rein! Turned out to be too much to deal with riding my very green filly on the trails. So I went for closed reins; rope barrel reins. Too short! Then I ordered my hand made by a vaquero horse hair Macates! Way too much bulk and rope! Started looking at English reins but couldn’t find the light leather to match bridle so finally decided on custom Beta. Clips on to the bridle (hardware) and buckled in center for safety. Got them in a 10 ft so I can easily ride one handed or two and my peanut roller has plenty of rein length to stretch her head. Finally just right! :lol:

I find handling a rope or ponying easiest with my buckled Beta reins! Purple no less! :smiley: