Thoughts on rocker shoes?

[BoyleHeightsKid]

Those feet :no:

Ugh… what the heck are they teaching farriers these days? Are they even going to school?

OP how long has it been since this horse was reset?

[Thoro]

Bit of an update. Vet got back to me and said she doesn’t want rockers at this point in time with the injury. She got in touch with a very good farrier that she trusts who normally doesn’t come out this far, but he agreed to do her. He’s coming out next week.

As far as how she sprained LCL - she suddenly went crazy for the farrier (now ex farrier). Striking, pawing, jerking away, and she injured it then. We thought it was just a bruise for the longest time so she is behind in her rehab She gets dorm now pre-shoeing.

[Thoro]

@BoyleHeightsKid

OP how long has it been since this horse was reset?

About 3.5 weeks for fronts and hinds are overdue, about 6.5 weeks.

[walkinthewalk]

@Thoro

Bit of an update. Vet got back to me and said she doesn’t want rockers at this point in time with the injury. She got in touch with a very good farrier that she trusts who normally doesn’t come out this far, but he agreed to do her. He’s coming out next week.

As far as how she sprained LCL - she suddenly went crazy for the farrier (now ex farrier). Striking, pawing, jerking away, and she injured it then. We thought it was just a bruise for the longest time so she is behind in her rehab She gets dorm now pre-shoeing.

Yay! Please update after the new farrier has seen your horse. Here’s hoping this will be the answer to all your hoof problems:)

[Fharoah]

@walkinthewalk

My lameness vet had my foundered horse in rockers for two resets only. The purpose was to allow the horse to shift its weight without having to shift “heavily” shift from leg-to-to leg. I hope that makes sense.

He then put the horse in wedges. I don’t know the exact angle but they were minimal.

That all worked for 11 months but the shoes were aluminum and were further promoting WLD – something that became a constant battle after the horse foundered.

Then the horse stayed barefoot for 23 months. As of five weeks ago, he is now back in shoes with liquid hoof packing because his soles are thin.

My current farrier is AFA Certified and interned with Ric Redden when she first got out of farrier school 20 years ago. She keeps updated on new innovations.

My horse is currently in aluminum “Natural Balance” shoes; the model is “PLR Flat”. Their purpose is to change his break over and they have done a fantastic job in improving this horse’s movement. He is also packed with VetTec’s EquiThane CS, which has copper sulfate in it.

When the aluminum shoes wear out, the farrier is switching to the same shoe in steel to help reduce the WLD issue. Aluminum oxidizes, therefore can promote WLD over long term use:(

My point is the farrier you interviewed should NOT be trying to fit every horse into the same corrective shoe. Every hoof is different and that same hoof might possibly need something different over time.

Take a look at the Natural Balance line of shoes and more importantly, knowing what I know now, keep interviewing farrier’s, plus be thankful you have a pool of farrier’s. I am forum acquainted with several folks who have learned to trim because they don’t have any farrier’s nearby that are worth a pinch of ------ salt:)

Also, you might check around for a good lameness vet. No matter how good your vet might be, unless lameness is his specialty, your horse could be better served with a lameness vet telling the farrier what he/she needs to be using for shoes:)

My horse is currently in aluminum rocker shoes. Can you please explain what WLD is?

[walkinthewalk]

@Fharoah

My horse is currently in aluminum rocker shoes. Can you please explain what WLD is?

White Line Disease:). This link will explain it better than I can:)

Aluminum oxidizes which is why it can further exacerbate the disease if the horse is already fighting it. My horse was fine until he foundered:(

https://ker.com/equinews/white-line-disease-requires-early-diagnosis-and-aggressive-treatment/

[JB]

For hoof crud issues, ask your farrier to use copper nails, either until the foot is fully healthy, or permanently.

[Thoro]

Well a not so great update that has me really stressing. According to the BO, this new (vet recommended) farrier is just about the second coming of Satan. Supposedly cripples and burns horses, and she’s not sure she wants him on the property.

AAAARRRGH!!! :(:mad:

Now I’ve got no idea what to do. This is the farrier that is supposed to be one of the best around, supposed to come Friday and now may not be allowed to, plus might hurt my horse if he does. On the other other hand vet specifically said she doesn’t want rockers on at this point, and wants this farrier - plus she already discussed the injury with him and what she wants done.

Basically either way I go I’m screwed with someone, and I don’t want my horse hurt worse than she already is. Just wish things could be a little more straightforward for once.:no:

[Thoro]

@Obsidian Fire

@Thoro thought you’d like to see pics of my mare’s feet, with the flapper pads on.

Thank you! I hope they work for her.

[walkinthewalk]

@Thoro

Well a not so great update that has me really stressing. According to the BO, this new (vet recommended) farrier is just about the second coming of Satan. Supposedly cripples and burns horses, and she’s not sure she wants him on the property.

AAAARRRGH!!! :(:mad:

Now I’ve got no idea what to do. This is the farrier that is supposed to be one of the best around, supposed to come Friday and now may not be allowed to, plus might hurt my horse if he does. On the other other hand vet specifically said she doesn’t want rockers on at this point, and wants this farrier - plus she already discussed the injury with him and what she wants done.

Basically either way I go I’m screwed with someone, and I don’t want my horse hurt worse than she already is. Just wish things could be a little more straightforward for once.:no:

Well crapcrapcrap — isn’t that just what you want to hear---- I think Imwould straight up ask the BO for specifics — whose horses did this farrier damage and that you would like to speak to them. Explain to the BO your vet made the recommendation and it’s too late to cancel the appointment or you will be paying a fee for nothing.

If the farrier is will be there the same time as the recommending vet, maybe that will keep the BO quiet.

the only other option you have is to locate a lameness facility.

Is it too ridiculous to ask how far the New Bolton Center in Chester County Pa is from you? They have a lameness evaluation section and farrier’s.

https://www.vet.upenn.edu/veterinary-hospitals/NBC-hospital/services/sports-medicine

I’m sure it would not be cheap, on top of probably paying this other farrier if you cancel) but you would at least have a “one and done” answer plus keep your BO quiet.

[Fharoah]

If you’re worried about the shoeing you could try and get the vet come out and work with the Ferrier to do radiographic guided shoeing.A good Ferrier always appreciate the x-rays.

[Thoro]

PA is quite far, but I have a good recommendation from another Coth member of a vet hospital that’s not too far. If things don’t work out with this guy I might just bring her there.
BO only had one contact to give me, but after the very positive responses I’ve gotten about him from a local BB, and another discussion with the vet, I’m going to go with it. Vet talked to BO too, so things are a little better. Oy, so much drama in the horse world!

[SusanO]

For what it is worth I think her feet look a lot better in those new pictures.

[walkinthewalk]

@Thoro

PA is quite far, but I have a good recommendation from another Coth member of a vet hospital that’s not too far. If things don’t work out with this guy I might just bring her there.
BO only had one contact to give me, but after the very positive responses I’ve gotten about him from a local BB, and another discussion with the vet, I’m going to go with it. Vet talked to BO too, so things are a little better. Oy, so much drama in the horse world!

I hope things go well with the farrier visit. You’ve spent a lot of tine covering all the bases – sometimes repeatedly…

[Fharoah]

@JB

For hoof crud issues, ask your farrier to use copper nails, either until the foot is fully healthy, or permanently.

We are using copper nails could that prevent WLD?My horse has pretty good feet but the rocker she was Ease break over. But we do live in a very wet climate. I wouldn’t want to risk him getting thrush or white lime disease.

[JB]

@Fharoah

We are using copper nails could that prevent WLD?My horse has pretty good feet but the rocker she was Ease break over. But we do live in a very wet climate. I wouldn’t want to risk him getting thrush or white lime disease.

They can help reduce issues, since copper is a natural anti-bacterial/fungal. That’s why copper sulfate is used to pack under pads - help prevent thrush.

Of course it’s only part of the management, but I’ve seen it help chronic issues with WLD trying to take hold.

[Lord_Helpus]

When using acronyms or abbreviations, could people please write out the full meaning of the phrase just once? Otherwise, the thread turns into an alphabet salad. I have a horse with many hoof and shoeing problems, but I still had no idea what WLD and some of the other ailments were.

TIA.

[walkinthewalk]

@Lord Helpus

When using acronyms or abbreviations, could people please write out the full meaning of the phrase just once? Otherwise, the thread turns into an alphabet salad. I have a horse with many hoof and shoeing problems, but I still had no idea what WLD and some of the other ailments were.

TIA.

WLD is white line disease.

In that same vein, what does “TIA” mean

[merrygoround]

I got as far s your photos of those feet.Post #15. You need help, You also need a new veterinarian if that is good lameness vet in your area.

Years ago I had luck calling the farrier in residence at the nearest veterinary school for recommendations,

[merrygoround]

In that same vein, what does “TIA” mean

Thanking you in advance.