christ those kinds are annoying - I get a friend request from a person in the local horse community, first thing she does once I accept is try to sell me a weight loss program - I am 108lbs and 5’8 
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This thread has definitely peaked my interest, I’ve been going through and reading a lot of the things people have posted here about their experiences. Does any one have evidence of her breaking laws or hurting horses? I’m hoping for things that aren’t just hearsay.
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Do you have proof of her practicing veterinary medicine in any states?
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As long as there are people buying horses that are too much for them, there will be people that fall for this stuff. It used to be Clinton Anderson and Pat Parelli, now it’s this (often the same people that used to like PP, I’m noticing). It both gives you a reason to not ride your horse that scares you or has issues that need actual vet care (“I’m doing groundwork/rehab/trauma therapy/whatever!”) and a community that makes you feel like you belong somewhere while simultaneously validating that you are “better” than everyone else.
Especially appealing to insecure people that want, more than anything, to feel super special but also part of a group.
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If you start at the top and read all the way through, you’ll find some have posted personal experience with this person, to the detriment of their horse.
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Does anybody know how the BTMM works for riding? I’ve seen a lot of accounts that look like a lot of long and low riding, reminds me a bit of art2ride? One video I saw, did show a lot of improvement in the rider’s position. And then before the horse was a bit more hollow / resistant but then all the after videos are just a lot of long and low. And I appreciate a good stretchy circle under saddle but to me the horse looked more out behind/on the forehand in the after video than it did before…
So I’m just curious do they advocate to get out of long and low? Or is it like art2ride where 95% of the riding is done that way?
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I would love to know this too! And those cryptic “pillars”.
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Saw this today and thought of you all 
🤦🏻
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I’m too way to old for this bull.
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This post should come with a warning.
Stop! Before you click, be sure you are prepared to lose your lunch and strain your roll eye muscles! Is is really worth it? Proceed only if you have a cast iron stomach or a large receptacle for your stomach’s contents.
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It could serve as a game. “How many potential painful or lethal injuries can you spot?”
Now, please excuse me while I yank out a few more strands of hair and slap myself in the face again. (Is this video for real?!?)
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Does anyone know about Celeste moving to southern Oregon? We already have Art to Ride relocated here… Now her? I’ve tried to figure out if she has moved here but I have been unable to get confirmation.
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I don’t know. But as a lifelong resident of Washington, all I can say is, you can have her.
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When I was typing COTH in my browser this popped up lower down in the search. I thought it might be helpful to link it here as well for people looking for info. Good and bad. Everybody can make their own decisions.
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So “pillar 1” is just teaching the horse to lower its head so that you “switch off the brachiocephalicus?”
If so, it’s a technique western trainers and colt starters have used for decades (at least). Teach the horse early on to drop his head in response to gentle halter pressure, and once he does you make that his “happy place” where he gets rubs and scratches and can relax. Later on you can use it as a calming tool … if he’s being overly reactive and high-headed, simply ask him to drop his head and put him in his “happy place.” They learn to still give to pressure and come back to you when they’re anxious rather than escalating and fighting the pressure. It’s also used as part of the process in teaching horses to tie.
Celeste did not invent this technique, nor is it anything unusual or novel … it’s horse training 101, she just added pseudoscience-y terminology to try to baffle people with BS and make it seem like she did.
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As usual, she claims to have invented something that’s been around forever. Western trainers, good English trainers… Let’s just reference Linda telling Jones for one thing. Self-aggrandizing drivel .
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Head down good. Head up bad. Basics.
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You can find her techniques in the work of many people. Peggy Cummings and LTJ come to mind as well as many other trainers and clinicians.
Peggy Cummings even has the three pillars of Connected Riding on her site. I think a lot of what CLL uses comes directly from her.
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Out of the 2000+ posts, has anyone posted what the pillars actually are? I can’t recall. Beyond maybe the first one, forward and down or whatever.
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Head down pillar 1
Rock back with head down pillar 2
Abduct outside fore while in pillar 1/2 pillar 3
That’s it. Can then do under saddle. It is simple and OLD training. Not new. Because I posted on the master class “nothing new under the sun” I became a pariah. She is a charlatan.
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