Thoughts on "The Traveling Horse Witch?"

We had a very competitive open jumper imported from Ireland, where he had been a steeplechase runner and did fair there at that.
We used two hospital fleece square western pads and a regular English jumping saddle pad of the same with his jumping saddle to get his back level.
You could not tell he was so badly swayback once saddled, but bare it was scary looking.

He didn’t care, was sound and a happy horse that loved jumping.
If he could have read numbers, I bet he would not have needed saddle and rider to get around a course. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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When I read the description it sounded exactly like what has been referred to as “rib out”. I’ve always hated that term too. In my hands, when I find these problems, I find they go away when I adjust the vertebrae in the area. Most of the time if I come back and check the ribs they will be fine after doing the rest of the work. There have only been a few times I’ve had to do the rib adjustment. And that was before I got better at some other methods. The rotated rib cages often respond best to a sternal adjustment.

In my opinion the rib issues are secondary. Sure, they exist, they can be very painful for the horse, but if I fix other stuff, they go away. If I just adjust the ribs, they get better, the pain and muscle spasm will go away, but it comes back pretty fast. If I solve the main problem, they don’t come back.

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Yeah, there is a lot of this out there,

I hate the term subluxation, because it implies something is out of place. We were taught to look at it as a restriction instead. When you move a joint, it will have three types of movement, there will be the full range of motion that the muscles can move the joint (range of active motion), then there will be a little more motion you can get by actively stressing the joint (range of passive motion) and lastly there is the tiny wiggle room at the end of the second stage before we get to the anatomic limit . This is where me make adjustments. We are not moving any bones great distances or putting them back in place. What we are doing is resolving restrictions by stimulating the receptors that are activated when you take a joint to tension and apply a very small high velocity short amplitude thrust.

As an aside, I’m going to give an example of how stimulation the receptors in your muscle, tendon apparatus can affect your body. It’s easy to test. This works best in a person like me that has a lot of hamstring tightness. If I reach for my toes and give it my best effort, I might get to 8 inches from the floor. If I do it again, I might get an extra inch or so, but if I use vibration to stimulate the receptors in the opposing muscle complex (front of the leg, I usually do it right above the knee where the tendons are attaching for 15-30 seconds) I can get an extra 5 to 6 inches. Stimulating the receptors in the tendons and fascia can be a powerful tool and this is what chiropractic adjustment is really about. The high velocity, low amplitude thrust is stimulating receptors in the spinal area (or whatever area is being adjusted) and causing reflex relaxation allowing the joint to function normally again. It’s never about “moving” bones around.

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re: my friend’s Arab – I knew the horse well before he left for training – he was 100% fine in his back, normal. Returned 100% ruined. If he had the genetic tendency for this, and he started to shows signs of ligament failure, the trainer should have stopped immediately and informed the owner, and addressed this through proper training. It’s not only caused by genetics, it can be caused by riding a horse too young. We know that tbs are started when they are basically yearlings, and raced as 2 yo. I have 3 tbs – one was given to me when he could not longer be ridden due to kissing spine. long story there but it is what it is, and he paid the price for the poor choices by prior owner, who meant well, but that isn’t enough. the other two have great toplines. anyway… i disagree that the horse can’t be improved. all horses can be improved with correct work. https://madbarn.com/swayback-horse/

for the life of me, i can’t figure out how to do a partial quote –
anyway, the past paragraph is really interesting – for myself, the work done on me after the car accident was a real eye opener – all this stuff in our bodies (and our horses) is interconnected and alive – it can and will change for the better or the worse. an acute injury certainly makes things worse, and then due to compensations those disfunctional aspects can get locked in, stagnate, and slowly go downhill, or maybe slowly heal to a degree. we can do things such as you describe through passive and active methods that can bring about positive changes. not enough people understand the function of fascia, for example; i guess it’s easier to picture the bones and big muscles. and while there might not be a lot of evidence on how this works with equines, that’s more due to the lack of funding for those kinds of studies rather than that bodywork doesn’t work. it surely does. and should be part of every horse’s care, plus they like it! since my car accident, which was resolved years ago, i’ve had MT for myself whenever I can manage it. I always benefit from it, and wish I could do it every week.

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What is MT?

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When I broke my wrist and kept on working through it in a plaster cash the end result was a “frozen shoulder” that resolved only with PT. I couldn’t lift that arm in the air. Nothing to do with the original injury.

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I find that many people don’t understand what the horses go through until they have an injury or PT or are athletes themselves. It’s so important to feel it yourself.

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I think about this from time to time. Granted, we aren’t horses and horses aren’t humans, but I think we can still make some connections. I’ve had stomach ulcers on and off in my life, and know how they make me feel and how they can impact me. Same with having some sort of secondary injury (or injury from compensating).

I also have SI issues, which includes some pretty significant degeneration. I have to make sure that this and my other ailments don’t impact or minimally impact my riding, so pain management, physio, therapy and fitness are all crucial. Just as they need to be for the horse.

On top of that, certain dietary factors or vits/supplements help me too. I have to be the best that I can be for my horse, and I’ve also got to keep him at his best too. I’ve always been aware of my body, and how things work or connect, but I found myself really digging into that when I started getting into dressage and being serious about it. I enjoy that aspect of it and it’s so interesting how we can influence our horses body in such “little” ways.

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Massage Therapy

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I really think it’s the same – horse-human-any mammal. Details differ, such as we have our scapula connected to our collarbone and horses don’t, diet details since we evolved eating plants and animals, and horses didn’t, differing digestive systems, etc., but when something is injured or not right for any reason, or there’s pain or just discomfort, humans can describe it – horses can only show in the ways they can that they don’t feel good – they look tense, move out of balance, refuse jumps, buck, rear, bite and kick. When attempts to communicate fail they shut down. One of my horses spooked due to gunfire, ran out of the barn door where I was standing, avoided me and hit his hip on the door frame, scraped off the hair and hide, made a loud bang when he hit the door and that spooked him even more – (he’s totally ok, just scared for a few minutes and bruised). A couple of days later, he’s moving fine, not lame, but kicks out with that leg when I drove behind him with the RTV – suddenly he’s LAME even though it was an air kick and he was too far away from anything to make contact! OH NO!!! so i watch him, he’s limping a bit for a few minutes, then shortly after trots up for dinner totally sound – I think he might have had a muscle spasm. No sign of lameness at all after that. If he could talk, he could describe it and I’d know. But instead I have to watch, question, assess, have a plan for what to do based on what I see (ie, do I need to call the vet?), and it’s really difficult even if one is relatively good at this from experience. Just glad it was a momentary glitch, and nothing concerning. As for the first incident if I had not been standing there, I would have never known why he scraped himself. Really glad he chose to hit the barn though and not me, I’d have been in the hospital.

Gosh the photos on the website look like nice and ample turnout. Are we sure it’s only 5 acres?

Yes. Wasn’t hard to find the real estate listing.

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Yeah, the photos are taken to be very deceiving. The acreage around her in the photos is owned by other people. And the 5 acres includes a house, indoor/outdoor arena, barns and other buildings. So the field space is much, much smaller than 5 acres.

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Wait, you mean she would actually do something deceptive?? :rofl:

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Exactly. There is at least some turnout, which is better than none at all, but those are fairly small paddocks, not large pastures that have some hills and terrain.

And she has, I think 5 horses of her own? Including at least 1 stallion, so I am not sure where these training horses and sales horses are going to go…

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Yes

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There are lots and lots of stalls there

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25 of them. On 5 acres. Yikes.

https://www.landandfarm.com/property/roxy-rose-ranch-31122722/

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