Thanks! Do let us know. I’ve noticed that as well, but hadn’t yet formulated an email.
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It was a very simple email - just said we have several people advertising themselves as Lazaris nerve release practitioners, said that they got “certified” by a non-vet who offered an online course (not a governing body), and added a screenshot example from a Facebook group post. That particular example showed a bunch of conditions that were supposedly relieved by nerve release, which I think might be the tipping point into vet work (kind of like how supplements can’t advertise that they cure health conditions).
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The one she made up in her head?
Can’t wait for the cure for DSLD via ‘nerve release’!
Also, is it just me or does it rub anyone else the wrong way that she uses symptoms instead of signs? Or maybe I’m out of line and the horses are telling her about their perceptions? 
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Like how it’s pretty much any symptom of anything ever lol
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That’s some wide ranging list of symptoms.
All I have to say is, “Prove it.” Not anecdotally, but with before and after radiographs, MRIs, or ultrasounds that document that bone, nerve or soft tissue has been altered in a positive manner which then also correlates with an improvement of these alleged symptoms. That’s all. Just some verifiable, science-based proof that any of this hocus pocus works.
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Does this work for humans as well? Will I get balanced nail growth if someone preforms a nerve release on me?
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How does one grow a missing tubercle with massage again?
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Yeah, she’s just hurting horses and getting paid for it.
Ugh!
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Good morning, thank you very much for this. For the horses.
Meanwhile, some genuine equine pro invest to be accredited regulated and insured and STILL struggle to get their business grow. How come?
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I would assume that lying and bullying aren’t part of the curriculum. And that their education/insurance/accreditation all cost actual time and money vs prancing around in a field and spewing drivel while driving on the highway.
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So true.
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[I’m Kathy Sierra]
Don’t know how on earth I ended up in THIS discussion, but… just a few facts:
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No, I’m not “starting one”… my online course started five years ago, and if you’d actually watched the videos on the page, you’d see that it’s rather the opposite of a ‘technique’ or method or recipe. It’s science lectures. Pain Science. (And contemporary movement science.) Specifically, pain neuroscience, which is why talking about the “brain” and “nervous system” play a role.
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Though I do not know Celeste, I have some respect for her in part BECAUSE I disagree – profoundly – with much of her narrative, and that’s reflected in a huge chunk of what I post on Instagram. But at least with me, she has not considered those disagreements to be a reason to block, ignore, hate, etc. Again, I can only speak for myself, but she engages and tries to find common ground. I also pushed back on a post of hers that complained about people nitpicking specific positions, and said that a LOT of this was coming from her students using their new knowledge to look at a still picture and find 15 different “pathologies”. She did not disagree, and we again found common ground on the fact that people will always potentially misunderstand while being enthusiastic and public.
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Finally, unlike Celeste I am NOT a professional, NOT (and never have been) a horse trainer, and I am entirely an educator on theories and principles. I try to be careful by telling people that literally NOBODY should use my own personal examples as anything good or useful, but that they are just one of an infinite number of ways to implement science principles.
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Oh, and my course is usually $125 for now close to 20 hours of video, and weekly live Zoom calls.
I make my living entirely from my computer science book royalties, the things I care about with horses and movement and my passion, not my profession.
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All that said, even though I have quite a few BIG issues with the narratives around the whole “movement dysfunction” and “kinesiopathological” ideas in both the equine and human rehab world – and I cite hundreds of science sources – I also accept that a whole lot of people seem to be finding her messages and community to be exactly what they needed to make changes. It’s not her exercises I have any issues with… it’s the story around it. And when you mentioned my “message of hope”, if you had watched the free pain science videos, you’d understand that the “hope” part is the much more recent findings in pain science that structure and damage does not equal pain, and vice-versa. Which has been dramatically changing the face of MSK treatments at both rehab and elite athletic levels, but is still barely trickling into equine movement. Again, I’m just an educator (basically, I explain technical things). I have never been paid a dime to work on, train, touch any horse. And I can confidently say that I never will. That includes online “coaching” which I also do not do.
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That is a whole lot of words to say essentially nothing?
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This is one of THE most disturbing things I have ever laid eyes on to date, and I honestly don’t know how she has any horses left alive, she has euthanized SO many, it’s very disturbing.
So, the magical nerve release clearly has a limit…
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Honestly, I am not the least bit surprised
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I have observed quite a lot of encouraging for long and low or stretching out… but, then when she does post the rare riding picture, like the one of her young horse being started solely with BTMM, and you see how dropped that thoracic sling is, its like… okay, so if this horse has been doing this method that supposedly elevates the thoracic sling, then why is it so upsidedown?
It’s a bit of a head scratcher
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‘You legally need to be a DVM or DC to practice on animals’ Read that on another group but I understand it may vary according the state.
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Clearly unbalanced!!
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Ok, I’ll bite. What is MSK? Is that musculoskeletal? When you say “free pain science videos” what is free? The pain, the video? If the latter, where can they be found?
In what way are treatments for elite athletes changing that are just trickling into the horse world?
Clearly, I am not a scientist. Can you explain in kindergarten language?
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