Her previous business name was “Wild Magic LLC”.
And some of her ideas are ok – and taught by MANY, part of a TRADITION.
It’s the hype, hocus-pocus and crossing the line into medical treatments that are the problem.
My sister has a nerve-related spinal issue. It’s very painful. And untreatable. If she was dumb enough to wander into a clinic where the person said they could fix her with some deep massage, body movement, and other “fixes” I guarantee that her problem would go from bad to worse as true nerve impingement and nerve damage is a treacherous territory for any therapist, doctor or specialist. And she’s seen them ALL. She at least is human and can think and figure things out based on what the findings are. Horses? They are 100% dependent on their owners to do that for them, and we need to be able to listen and read their wordless messages about what hurts and where. Then seek actual medical advice on what is actually wrong and what the options are. Vets may not know everything about everything (my dad was a vet, so I know this firsthand). But a self-taught magical guru is just not the answer. Show me the credentials. But there are none, not a single one by her own account.
This is, quite honestly, kind of terrifying, that there are vets out there that might be dumb enough to fall for this AND might be working on your horse.
We only have her word on it that the response to her class is this big. And anyone that would give their money and time to a clinician that says “as I carefully read through each and every one of your hearts”. 
Just as we have only her word about any of her credentials 
This is true. And listing folks outside of North America makes it almost impossible to double check.
Maybe she’s excluding folks from NA because of the risk of practicing without a license?
Are vets really getting “certified” in her method and practicing it on client horses?
I’m well aware that vets often tend to be more accepting of “alternative medicine” and woo than their counterparts in 2-legged medicine. Physicians that perform or recommend even well-established things like chiropractic or acupuncture for their patients are very much on the fringe of the profession (at best, mainstream doctors will usually say “carry on with the chiropractic if you feel like it helps, just don’t let them touch your neck!”) … whereas it seems like you’re hard pressed to find a mainstream “sporthorse” horse vet who doesn’t believe in at least some of those things, despite the lack of any solid evidence that they work well.
But there’s still a big jump from, say, doing some acupuncture (which at least has some weak evidence in favor, and has been used for long enough to know that it’s at least pretty harmless), to trying out a random Instagram guru’s miracle cures on client horses. I really hope Celeste is lying about that.
Here is a list of her official “Lazaris Nerve
Release Technique™CERTIFIED PRACTITIONERS”, and there are two DVMs listed. Notice she has trademarked this name, or at least says she has. Chiro, PT, massage therapy combined totally saved me after an injury due to a car accident. But this was a combined practice that included doctors and surgeons, so it was all coordinated and supervised. Before being referred to this practice by my GP I had seen a chiro that was NOT good, was after the insurance money, and when I didn’t want to participate in double billing, caused injury to my neck during my last treatment; it felt intentional, but didn’t cause permanent damage, though I did get an MRI. Acupuncture and other modalities do work when used appropriately, and usually in combination with conventional treatments. I am ALL for that kind of thing. TCM has a long history and enough studies to make it worth including in one’s treatment approaches, but you have to have someone who really knows what they are doing. I am NOT for fakes and phonies who lack training and credentials, I don’t care how photogenic they are. https://www.balancethroughmovementmethod.com/nervepractitioners
apparently at least two DVMS are doing this. see the link i posted.
A query at the government trademark search site ( Trademarks > Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS))returned the following message:
No TESS records were found to match the criteria of your query.
Sadly the Scotland one is definitely true…
Great. Who should I avoid?
Can someone screenshot Warwick Schiller’s comments? I really like his training and find his Cat-H stuff so helpful. A bit disappinted that he has bought into this, but as we’ve been discussing, he isn’t the first pro to have done so.
Her IG page shows she has also trademarked the Balance Through Movement Method. https://www.instagram.com/travelinghorsewitch/
I searched both the WA state and federal trademark databases and couldn’t find any proof that she actually trademarked it, despite her advertising it that way.
Cat H is not “Warwick Schiller.” I first heard about it at an animal training conference in Texas Feb 2019.
Here is a more recent podcast with 2 of the biggest hitters involved in this research and education.
Jose Rosales Ruiz
Mary Hunter
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t
TM basically meaningless? and it’s the ® that matters?
If she started slapping ® all over her crap that wasn’t registered, that would be wrong, but to throw TM around like $2 beads at Mardi gras, not so much.
Trademarking can involve legal fees, plus federal filing fees. I was involved with the administrative side of trademarking for a business I worked for several years ago, and it involved a few thousand in fees.
My guess is she could get it done for less… but I do question if she actually has gotten anything trademarked. It just doesn’t make much sense to me to pursue it, when you pause and consider what is involved in terms of the business model of most the equine body work practitioner industry…
Yeah. There’s expense and bother to actually trademark or register or copyright or patent converging. Is she even incorporated as a business? Also if you are going to change your business name every time life catches up with you then you are hardly going to spend time and money trademarking anything.
Good point about the frequency of business name changes. My guess is the registration symbol she is using is little more than decoration.
Her LLC was administratively dissolved by the state for failure to submit paperwork IIRC. It’s somewhere back in the middle of the thread.
