Thoughts on "The Traveling Horse Witch?"

Perhaps those whose horses she has damaged should make a complaint or ten? I would bet their state veterinary board would also be interested.

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Where would someone report this?

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How would one use this information to report a person? Does it require having a horse harmed by the individual in order to lodge a complaint, or can the state/oversight be notified of a person who is/might be in violation? I would assume screenshots of advertisements of services (and other claims) on social media postings + the website of said individual would be sufficient.

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I would look at contacting the state veterinary board in that state and finding out what their criteria is. I would assume that the state would also regulate massage and acupressure practitioners as well. It would be especially helpful if you have veterinary proof of the damage your horse sustained. I don’t know if the other certification above is state regulated or what their criteria is as far as credibility because I can’t find anybody in my state who is listed there either.

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I had a doctor at a specialty hospital I managed get interviewed by local public radio station. THEY referred to her as a specialist (had just sat for her boards for IM which she did end up passing).

This resulted in a board complaint by a fellow veterinarian🙄

How someone like THW gets away without even a BBB complaint or something is just wrong.

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This has been confirmed upthread wherein we all attempted to come to 3 months of a course by adding 2 months + zero months and no matter how hard we tried could only come up with 2 months :frowning:

Clearly, The Traveling Horse Witch got superior arithmetic lessons to the rest of us, because she can add 2 + 0 and come up with 3.

Must be something about magic and unicorn pee and IG Wonder Woman bracelets that allows her such amazing feats of math.

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In many places the accreditation and enforcement is given over to the professional governing body or “college” which can then get the government to enforce if it’s nonmembers. Where I live it is the RMT association that polices language about massage therapy and has raised difficulty for equine body workers.

Ironically a college of physicians for instance might be quicker to jump on an actual doctor who is inflating their credentials because they have the power to discipline their own effectively whereas lone wolf snake oil salesmen may slide under the radar until it’s brought to their attention.

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https://doh.wa.gov/licenses-permits-and-certificates/professions-new-renew-or-update/veterinarian/veterinary-board-governors

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That’s giving me extreme Rev Allan Buck vibes, proper ick.

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The same COTH membership that roasted The Horse Boy Dad?

If I wanted to report a person, I would go to the first link I posted above, then look for contact info, then contact them and ask. I once worked for a state board that regulated CPAs and accountancy. My job was to draft the non-compliance letters based on consumer complaints, usually filed when someone was saying they were a CPA when they were not, in fact, certified, though they usually were professional accountants. Basically we sent out cease-and-desist letters. I only worked there a few months, so don’t know how they pursued people who continued to misrepresent themselves. In some of the states for animal massage, they differentiate between massage for relaxation and that claiming to diagnose or treat conditions. The problem with THW or whatever she wants to call herself and her business, is that she is diagnosing (impinged nerve or whatever) and then treating that diagnosed condition. And that just is not remotely something she has the qualifications to do. What she is doing is unethical. But if she only sold what she is actually qualified to do, with all the caveats needed, she would have nothing to sell at the price point she uses. Can she say “I did this thing with my own horse and this is what happened”? sure, why not. But to package that, diagnose conditions, proscribe treatments, sell it, claim to certify others, drag professionals along for the ride (who will look foolish at some point if they don’t already), well that’s a bit of a problem, IMO. Looks like most of the 30 people doing the class are not in the U.S. which is interesting. And she has over two hundred more who applied. Are people really that desperate and unable to apply critical thinking before they shell out thousands of $$?

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This is the age of gender, fae, elf, and multiple personality self id.

Welcome to the TikTok era.

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I think when it comes to one’s personal life, that’s all ok and good. I’d like professionals to be less fluid in their professional identity – in fact, I’d like them to be fully transparent about their past and present work. It’s fine for people to evolve even as professionals, I just want to know what and how that happened before I sign up for anything or trust my or my animals’ well being with that person.

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Here’s the only math that matters – $3,000 x 30 = $90,000, plus the 5 special ones at $5000 for another $25,000, bringing the total to $115,000. Run the class again, and it’s $230,000. A third time in a year and it’s $345,000. Now tell me what equine bodyworker has that income, and I mean the ones out there driving to the farms, doing hands-on work, day after day? And then add in whatever clinics that might go along with this. The “Masterclass” had something like 3000 people sign up (if I remember it right) at $150, so that’s $450,000. I had to calculate that one a few times – WHAT?! I can’t find the FB group anymore (I left it), but did it really end up with like 3000 people in it? At any rate, the math is mathin’ and that ain’t nothin’. (I have no issue with people earning a living, just with people exploiting others in the process.)

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I know as a PEMF practitioner, two huge red flag words are “diagnosing” and “treatments”. That is practicing veterinary medicine without a license.

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A fool and her money are soon parted. Sad how many truly gullible people there are .

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ayuh.
My massage friends are very circumspect in how they describe their work.

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Based on what has been revealed here about this woman, would you join her “MasterClass,” participate in a 1-1 session with your horse, attend one of her clinics and allow her to place her hands on your horse? If you would, I encourage you to do so. Because personal experience with this woman might be the only experience that would be valid for you.

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That list of participants is very interesting. It suggests to me that horse owners in the USA have seen enough red flags that they are giving her program a miss.

Those countries all have strong riding traditions. A few are under resourced for horse care practitioners, but most aren’t. Obviously anyone who signs up likely has pretty good English skills even if that’s not the official language of the country. But they might still miss a lot of the nuances that alarm us here. And now that she’s changed her business name, this THW thread might not catch their eye

Finally especially in the EU countries, accreditation is very regulated. There are countries on here where you have to go through proper training and apprenticeship to teach riding lessons unlike the free for all in North America. It might not occur to them that someone would be allowed to advertise a service and be as drastically underqualified as Celeste.

Also being overseas they are not going to be in a position to go to local small claims court.

Anyhow the idea with MLM is to build hype, make a pile of money, and cash out before the trouble starts. Even if the course tanks she has a nice nest egg that gives her the appearance of success in North America where money talks.

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i resemble this remark

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