Thoughts on "The Traveling Horse Witch?"

Yeah, I’d totally go see a (human) doctor or practitioner who brags that they’ve had no medical training but believes themself so special that they’ve stumbled on the cure to everything by just … looking at/experimenting on people… between Instagram photo shoots.

/s

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Umm. That’s exactly what you get on MLM snake oil marketing which was apparently Celeste’s former endeavor!!!

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Mary Wanless ride with your mind/rider bio mechanics
Wendy Murdoch sure foot pads
Sally Swift centered riding
Alexander technique
Feldenkrais method

Off the top of my head are people who came up with some cool ideas on their own, and then ran with them. Over many decades developing their techniques.

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Oh I’m not saying originality is bad. Far from it.

But the best advances come from looking at the current best practices and then improving on them.

Imagine someone who said I’m tech illiterate never used a computer but I am going to fix your hard drive. Or, I hate music and can’t play an instrument but I am going to perform my speshul song for you. Etc.

I’m criticizing people who celebrate their own ignorance and then grab a couple of contemporary buzz words and market them to the unsuspecting.

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Mary Wanless would disagree. She often asserts that it is people OUTSIDE the current system that come up with the break throughs.

Ford was not a horse breeder.

Innovation does not come from within the widget factory.

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I appreciate innovation with a base of knowledge. This issue is that there appears to be a profound lack of necessary knowledge (with TTHW’s own admittance) to be competent in manipulating equine bodies and teaching the masses how to do it themselves. I don’t think anyone is speaking against innovation here.

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Mary Wanless trains GP riders and has certificates and advanced education. Wendy Murdoch has a masters degree in equine repro. Sally Swift borrowed from the Alexander technique, etc, etc.

These people may have had innovative ideas but they had a base of knowledge to work off of stemming from education or certification.

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Henry Ford?

He got his start working for another automobile company building engines. He was deep into the technology before he started his own company. He didn’t invent the car out of thin air. And indeed the internal combustion engine built on the lessons of the steam engine that was invented late 1700s.

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What do you think the collective experience is of the COTH membership?

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Innovation without knowledge is either reinventing the wheel (if you are lucky) or a disastrous rabbit hole to stumble down.

I’m trying to come up with a play on words that mixes the woo ignorance of those who romanticize feral horses and feel they are inventing new training. The Dun and Kiger effect. The girl in a dress riding a yellow horse through a field with no bridle, etc.

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Dun and Kiger :laughing:

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Errr…

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So she spent 30k on education, but didn’t take a course, or a lesson, or buy a book, but she’s fully credentialed?
The math ain’t mathin’.

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Maybe those are all horses she has bought and crocked in her experimental process?

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One of the things that I find amusing about her self-designation as a “biomechanical lameness specialist” is that, as a licensed veterinarian, I am expressly prohibited from referring to myself as a “specialist” unless I am a diplomate of a recognized specialty (i.e., internal medicine, surgery, neurology, emergency/critical care, etc.).
Yet any entrepreneur can come along and self-identify as a “specialist” in whatever woo they please.

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Perhaps the state veterinary board in her state would like to know.

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Doubt there’s clear jurisdiction. IME, licensing boards don’t care about unlicensed folk working on animals until they harm one and the owner complains.

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Actually, some states seem to be cracking down on PEMF practitioners (Magnawave in my case) and sending out cease and desist orders. I know of a few. So far, my state of Wisconsin isn’t one of them, thankfully. I know we have to be very careful of language when working on horses and dogs.

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yeah, I have all kinds of advanced education including being certified in Equine Rehabilitation and I can not call myself a specialist because I am not ACVSMR boarded. But she’s now a specialist?

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So she’s working out of Washington State-- here is the link to their state requirements for people saying they do animal massage. She clearly is in violation of state law. https://doh.wa.gov/licenses-permits-and-certificates/professions-new-renew-or-update/animal-massage/frequently-asked-questions Here is the search page for those certified by nbcaam in WA state, this is a prerequisite to getting the state license. She is not on this list. https://www.nbcaam.org/content.aspx?page_id=1357&club_id=69222

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