Granted, this is only my personal experience, not a clinical study, but I can tell you unequivocally that accupuncture works. 30 years ago, I had a 3 pack a day smoking habit. I had 1 (one) accupuncture treatment, wore “staples” in my right earlobe for 3 weeks, and never smoked another cigarette. Didn’t even miss them.
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Anyone can put the TM symbol after anything they want. Unless someone checks, like Ghazzu (thanks for saving me the trouble!) you are just taking their word for it. There’s no law against saying it’s your trademark unless/until someone takes you to court over infringement. Then it becomes an issue. I’ve done a lot of work over the years with corporate intellectual property (no, IANAL or legal professional of any kind). The company I previously worked for used the TM symbol after their proprietary software’s name and when I pointed out to the C-suite that we didn’t have a trademark on it, they winked at me. No one cares.
Now, regarding this person, I’m still reeling from finding out she’s in my state. I do think she should be called out on all her shenanigans with the veterinary board. But the trademark crap is just puffery.
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So, what were the big lies?
There’s a screenshot of her saying she had a neuroscience degree in a comment responding to something on Facebook.
I still don’t know if that was a lie or not. She doesn’t list her degrees on her business page, so she’s not claiming to offer services as something that she isn’t as far as I can tell. Unequivocally calling her a fraud and a liar in these circumstances is a bit reckless IMO.
As for the unhappy clients—The one client who identified herself was mad about being kicked out of the group: she claims CL is lying about her degrees, I am saying she might want to be totally sure about that before spreading it around on the internet.
The fact that CL is not coming here to address it is also not evidence that is of any use to someone defending against a libel suit from her.
You can take or leave my advice but it’s good advice. And no, I don’t have rose colored glasses. I am very jaded.
Stating that states have laws about animal massage is just stating facts. Pure and simple. That there are requirements for being certified is also stating a fact. If there is a blueprint for reporting people who violate state requirements, that is a blueprint created by each state’s board. Sharing the public info from a public website is sharing factual information.
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I put some new tags on the thread.
Just be clear when I started this thread I was truly curious and interested myself in the method. I never imagined what all would be uncovered.
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Of course! statements about whether she is in violation of those laws and regulations that are not supported by facts would be a problem.
Uh, her credentials aren’t.
That’s not a mistake or clumsy.
That’s a lie.
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CAT is applied to dogs and was developed to deal with aggressive dogs. CAT-H modifies that as applied to horses. Julie Lannen teaches CAT-H which is where I first learned of it via her course. WS is adapting it to a degree in some of his relationship exercises.
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you sure she lied? Can you tell me how you know? I’m honestly not seeing any evidence other than one person claiming it and a bunch of people speculating about it.
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I think someone mentioned upthread and posted links to check “human and equine massage therapist [referred to as large animal in the database]” credentials in Washington. It’s REALLY easy. If she is a “licensed human and equine massage therapist” as she wrote on her own website, then all is well. If not, then…
Have you actually looked?
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And your relationship to her is…?
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I don’t have one. That’s why I’m careful not to say things about her I can’t confirm.
Thanks for the warning.
Are you a lawyer?
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a person would be in violation of those laws if they claim to be certified or able to certify others when in fact they are not. if a person is certified, has the credentials and education, then any reputable professional would put those credentials somewhere on their business page. easy-peasy. lacking evidence of those credentials yet claiming them in and of itself is a problem, isn’t it? or can I claim special qualifications and then set about teaching methods that cross into medical territory to others, and then if someone says “hey wait a minute” the questioning person is somehow at fault? also at least one person on this forum is unhappy due to injury sustained by her horse at a clinic. she described it pretty clearly, and feels bad to allowing it to happen.
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I posted the link to the requirements for each state. some are stringent, some are not. WA state is pretty specific about what’s required to be a licensed animal massage therapist.
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You can’t prove a negative, it’s up to THW to prove she has credentials, not us to prove she doesn’t have them. But again, it’s easy to search licensing in her state. That she claims to have. And yet her name doesn’t come up in their search 
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You dont?
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Not a personal one, no. Just joined the group and posted one introductory post there. Have never spoken with her.
Touche. No personal relationship, but you used her program.
Again thanks for the warning about libel, are you a lawyer?
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I am by training yeah. Probably know enough about libel law to say be careful. Maybe I’m too careful.
