Thoughts on "The Traveling Horse Witch?"

Yes. The sad part is though that credible sources lack the, je ne sais quoi, hmm, oh yes, got it, the layer of dollar store glittershit and promises of majickal solutions that charlatans use to papier mache up the rotten toothpick frames of their “knowledge.” Also, someone severely watered down their Mod Podge after eating 3/4 of the contents of the jar. We suspect the eater may be the same entity as the artist.

Anyway, shiny, easy solutions will always have an appeal, sadly.

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Exactly. I’m a medical professional (with an actual license, under the name I routinely use in my professional life, and not in some obscure new-agey-sounding woo field) and if the last few years taught us anything, it’s that the general public loves to believe that there is a simple, tidy, one-size-fits-all solution that those stupid Science losers are deviously hiding from the public (but also simultaneously too stupid to figure out.)

Actual experts giving charlatans the time of day to discuss their half-baked claims unfortunately often ends up lending undeserved legitimacy to those claims by placing it on equal footing with stuff that’s backed up by science. When the average person listening is a layperson with no training in the field in question, they have no way to tell when the charlatan is simply blowing smoke.

I’m happy to see knowledgeable people debunk BS pseudoscience, but it’s better done without an equal footing debate because frankly, some ideas aren’t worthy of it.

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:laughing: :+1:I’m going to borrow this. And interject it into conversations, liberally.

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It’s absurd for the insinuation to be boasted wrongly that because I chose not to procure proof my horse was injured by CLLs nerve release that means it didnt actually happen… excuse me, what? What reason would anyone have to make something like that up? I have far better things to do with my time and energy. Multiple others have chosen to walk away as well because why would anyone waste their time arguing with a charlatan who blatantly refuses to take accountability for anything?

For the doubters, I was able to find the notes from my highly educated DVM who is skilled and educated in more modalities than I think THW even has any clue exists. (My vet has over 15 degrees including multiple modes of bodywork, acupuncture, chiropractic, etc, FYI)

That said, I will share the notes here with all identifying information blocked out. Of course, my vet is very politically correct in the service notes, but if you make out the notorious doctor scribble, it says “got some neck work, but a little too much and got really neck sore, lasted a while (2 mos).” The neck work being referenced was THW nerve release. We discussed at length verbally and my vet is very confident the correlation and causation are directly related to the nerve release work.

As a reminder, CLL worked on my horses neck for the entirety of an hour while my horse was nipping and voicing clear dislike for the work being done. I regret trusting CLLs word over the opinion of my horse, it was clear my horse was unhappy and uncomfortable.

The neck soreness was later extended to 4 months at a further evaluation, the receipt from that later visit is still MIA, but when it turns up, I will be sure to share.

So, yes, CLL has indeed injured horses. Not just my own, but most people are intelligent enough to distance themselves and not get involved in an argument with these charlatan types because they will turn it into one giant ugly drama. Not interested in a public war darling, but we all know how much you love that kind of negative attention. Actions speak far louder than words.

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I don’t think it’s considerate to post personally identifying information of a student from the class. I think those screenshots should be removed or at least edited to remove any identifiable information. A student posting in a private facebook group doesn’t deserve to be outed on this high profile thread.

I thought the pony looked familiar and seeing the name and reference to a clinician confirmed it for me.

I haven’t posted anything to Facebook, I am not sure what you are referencing here?

Edit:: Oh, you’re talking about an old post on COTH, I had wrongly thought you had replied to my vet receipt showing my horse was indeed harmed. I have no qualms about removing the other screenshots from months back.

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Ain’t that the truth!!

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My personal feeling is that this is one of those things that has a kernel of legitimate scientific basis that is quickly ruined by folks like the titular clinician. There was a study published a while back where a researcher using Google Earth discovered that the individuals in grazing herds of deer and cows would align themselves in a North + South direction largely regardless of the weather factors present (e.g. sun and wind), which suggests that large mammals must possess some degree of magnetoreception.
What purpose does that magnetoreception serve them? Are other behaviors of those animals driven by this magnetoreception? Does their magnetoreception increase or decrease in the presence of external factors? Which ones? Do horses possess magnetoreception, too? Do we? What is there to be learned about human and animal physiology from this? How do we test to prove/disprove any and all of it?

Are we affected in some manner by the earth’s magnetic fields? I’d venture there is a good chance we are. It is the ‘how’ and to what degree is magnetic alignment beneficial or detrimental that needs studied. Could it be something that a well-educated practitioner might want to keep in the back of their mind on certain horses? Potentially. Does anyone know enough about this to make it the primary modality of a whole therapeutic approach? H-double-hockey-sticks NO!! And that’s when the kernel of scientific truth gets bulldozed by the “Well, when you put it like THAT” factor. :expressionless:

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Since my observation of roughly 20+ horses every afternoon when I drive in the barn laneway shows them to be aligned W-E does that mean that horses are faulty? Perhaps their magnetoreception turns off in the afternoon? (I rarely observe them at other times of day) Perhaps since their fields are longest W-E the alignment of the field interferes with their magnetoreception? Is my horse (and the others that are top bitch in their respective fields) BROKEN??? Are they ruining their herdmates magnetorecteption? :frowning: lol

All that ^ aside, that is very interesting about deer seeming to prefer N-S orientation over E-W.

*note to self to make better observation of the 24/7 fields to see how they are aligned compared to the in/out horses.

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Birds apparently navigate when migrating by magnetic fields.

Animals can be aware of something and not be controlled by it. Birds can hang around all summer and some can stop migrating if climate and food source are good.

But are those aligned deer studies exhaustive? Has anyone looked at all deer everywhere every day? And why would they want to align with the poles?

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I read somewhere that large grazing mammals will align themselves N-S in winter to warm themselves, and E-W in summer to stay cooler. Theory being that you maximise exposure to the sun if you are broadside to it (N-S), and minimise it if you put your narrow end facing it. This is why we build houses here in the tropics with an East-West orientation, and why my outdoor arena is orientated North -South (so you aren’t riding a longside into a rising or setting sun), but an undercover arena should be E-W.

Less about magnetic poles, more about following the sun.

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Yes. It does mean they are faulty. This is clearly due to collective birth trauma. It will necessitate a re-integration of their structural hoozie majig.

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Dogs have been deteermined to generally align north-south when defecating.

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Only if the moon is in the seventh house.

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Well thanks for that. :wink: Now I’m going to have to watch 20 dogs empty out at evening chores to see if any of mine or client dogs are defective. :smiley:

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“I’d like to write my research paper on…”

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I once had a student submit an extra-credit paper on artificial insemination in elephants.

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No specific orientation observed. Any and all vectors seemed acceptable. :wink:

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I have a defective dog, he defecates by spinning a very fast circle, sometimes launching his poo in a half circle shape on the ground :rofl::rofl:

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Ah yeah, so I did try Rolfing with a human therapist because curiosity and cats and all… this guy was unrelated to CLL. Omg I was in an incredible amount of pain from that modality! The treatment itself is brutal, the idea is to create a greater range of motion where fascia may be restricted. Sounds nice on paper, but they do this by applying strong pressure to the area that is stuck and then have you move your limb and push through the searing pain. The idea is that this breaks up fascia adhesions and restores healthy movement. All it did for me was cause a ton of unnecessary pain and I was worse off than I was before going in. It tool several months for me to recover and feel normal again… sounds similar to what my horse went through last year… we are onto a trend here!

Never again, I won’t touch that modality for myself or my horse, considering two unrelated practitioners of the same unproven modality caused a similar pain reaction in both my horse and myself. Two for two, and I’m done, forever. Ten foot pole at the ready.

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