Thoughts on "The Traveling Horse Witch?"

A mole rat researcher hopped onto Google Earth to examine the patterns in which tents were pitched on campgrounds. He discovered that tents are hard to see on Google Earth; and herds of cattle much easier. :joy: He was careful to point out that: 1) correlation does not equal causation; and 2) an experiment of sufficient scale as to provide conclusive proof would be basically impossible. He also noted that this topic is a juicy one for further study and experimentation:

“The biological significance of the shown magnetic alignment remains enigmatic. It has been speculated that maintaining a symmetric position to the field lines somehow influences certain physiological processes (ref. 2 and references therein). Indeed, in humans the rapid eye movement latency is shortened in the E-W position of sleepers compared with the N-S position (20), and statistically significant differences in the EEG of normal subjects have been found, depending on whether the subjects sit facing the N-S or E-W direction (21). Maintaining a certain magnetic direction may provide also a constant directional reference for spatial orientation, which might be useful e.g., after disturbance and fast escape. Noteworthy, all of the studied ruminants are social animals, with large home ranges, moving over large distances, originally in habitats (dense forests or grassland) without apparent landmarks. Our results call for an in-depth study of this phenomenon and challenge neuroscientists, biochemists, and physicists to study the proximate mechanisms and biological significance of magnetic alignment. It is amazing that this ubiquitous conspicuous phenomenon apparently has remained unnoticed by herdsmen and hunters for thousands of years.”

A broader sample size that looked at additional factors like weather conditions and herd size:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0803650105

I stopped riding over a year ago because I’m a mess from POTS-type symptoms that the doctors say are likely related to my significant (Stage III+ or IV) TMD. Personally, I would welcome more research into the differences on the EEG scans cited in the link above. Not because I believe that I’m out of magnetic alignment, but because such research could lead to a better understanding of how and why jaw problems cause the vascular system to short circuit and eventually to better treatments.

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Can confirm that Dog #2 crapped to the South this morning, and Dog #1 crapped to the North-East-South-Wwwwwest as he desperately tried to finish up by walking in a circle so he could Chase! The! Ball! Crapping just takes away from that fun!

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Has it though? Just because herders and hunters don’t write papers about it, doesn’t mean they’re not aware of it. And then there’s the whole satellite image thing. They’re going to be aware of what’s going on in their areas, not globally.

Yes it was an older post up thread. Thanks for taking it down.

Oh my, you poor thing!

Have you, by chance, explored upper cervical chiropractic? Not traditional chiropractic.

I also have TMJ, and recently learned that TMJ often off-sets C1 and C2 because of how the muscles attachments connect. C1 and C2 are so important because the entire nervous system quite literally runs through, so if those vertebrae are misaligned, oof!

I was having a world of neck, shoulder and other symptoms for years with no real clear answers or relief. I had poor experiences with traditional chiropractors historically. I was pleasantly surprised to find an upper cervical chiropractor who does not blindly crack you, rather she doesn’t crack at all. What she does is very gentle and her focus is on realigning the nervous system pathways by relaxing tension that torques the upper cervicals, she works carefully via radiograph and is partnered with a radiologist in order to read those rads accurately. Very little magical woo in her office, breath of fresh air on that one.

I will have to ask her if there are studies she can refer on this topic as she seems quite knowledgeable on this specific correlation between TMJ and the nervous and vascular systems, when I find out, I will be sure to share.

I hope you can find relief, POTS is no joke and TMD is downright awful and it’s frustrating medical doctors don’t take it more seriously or even seem to recognize it in the early stages, as it’s considered a dental issue. It seems to fall through the cracks as a serious condition until much too late.

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This intrigued me enough to cause me to think hard about my four dogs all pooping this morning… :rofl:

(Not a phrase I pictured myself typing out ever.)

Anyway, three of the four pointed due west at 5:30 this morning, while it was still dark. The fourth pointed southwest, but he’s blind. Not that darkness or blindness would matter with magnetic fields.

And now I’ll be obsessed with cataloging the directionality of the pooping from here on out. So, thanks for that! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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I, too, now have a mental dog poop diary. Morning hiking trail heads directly west. Dog religiously poops parallel to trail: looking west/pooping east alignment. But she’s a Labrador, so probably not the most reliable study subject.

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The youngest dog (who is currently leashwalking for rehab) faced due west this morning at 6am and due east at 130 this afternoon. Longer walk tonight on a different path so we’ll see how that impacts the results.

Old dog goes outside and poops on her own recognizance so I can’t report on her defecatory directionality.

Evening update: Poop number 3 had the youngster facing due north, so she’s faced three of the four cardinal directions today🤣

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We should probably be observing the defecation habits of bulls to bring this topic back on track :rofl:

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Bulls or bats :rofl:

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But maybe if a horse poops in a certain corner of their stall it reveals their horseanality?

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It hurts like a biatch doesn’t it :flushed:
I stuck with it though because I was in a really bad way, so had the full course of ten treatments…cried, cursed, whimpered and yelled my way through it.
I’ve not been kind to my body over the years - equine professional, several bad riding accidents, some really nasty car & motorbike accidents too. Pre Rolfing I’d needed my back manipulated anywhere between 2-4 weekly for over 10 years just to stay upright and moving - chiro, osteo, cranial, physio, acupuncture and every kind of massage. I’d get relief for a few days, maybe a week.
I did that Rolfing course in 2018 and I’ve needed a tweak from a massage therapist friend 3 times since….that’s it.
And the lady that did it wasn’t woo at all.
It was quite literally a game changer for me, but my hubby tried it, had one session and said he’d rather travel back in time and be tortured than go through it again, so I do get where you’re coming from!

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That was part of a quote from the naked mole rat scientist, not me! lol.

I do agree with you, though. The unwritten wisdom is out there, honed by generations to suit the geographical conditions of their area. We owned a small farm in the Shenandoah Valley for a few years. I remember our 90yo neighbor visiting and nodding his approval at our pig habitat: “That’s the way you do it. My father, his father, they always ran them out in the woods up on the hills.” Apparently, the same bushhog blade eating rocks that the area was famous for also made for hog heaven – the pigs napped on the cool, damp masses of limestone deep in the woods. I’ve also been told by more than a handful of the older mountain folks that planting gardens and weaning cattle is best done timed to the phases of the moon.

@NerdyHorseLady I’ll have to look into that! The maxillofacial surgeon is fairly sure that the disc on one side is not where it is supposed to be. I need to get an MRI done. Just had so much going on with both of my parents experiencing their own health crisis, the kids, the ex, etc. that I’ve been dragging my feet on the whole finding an in-network MRI center. Botox injections have proved a minor miracle in the meantime.

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I know! I just couldn’t help typing out my brain tangent/wander thing.

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If she listens to Dr. Haussler, she’ll learn something.

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https://www.facebook.com/1023434539/posts/pfbid0dR4TjqVgwnfuHw2HJHyTpwCcJVmYCdcj7bPgVrYh5YxGw5QJdSkeeD1uLpW17kXyl/

“Ever since becoming a licensed human structural integration massage therapist and working in a clinical sports medicine practice, I began taking my skills from treating chronic nerve compression disorders in humans and practicing those techniques on my hypothesized nerve pain in horses.

There still isn’t much literature around it, and while some have called me crazy due to that lack of literature and scientific studies, the countless results of successfully treating chronic behaviors and undiagnosed lameness has spoken for itself over the years.

Several months ago, I came across a peer reviewed study by a team of Veterinarians at Colorado State University who were also hypothesizing neuropathic pain in horses causing musculoskeletal issues.
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8702524/?fbclid=IwAR22ZtWaahKTWJeAuyljidDQJ07tIxdcvJtzEyu6evqU8Gzd9z1xSottydY_aem_th_AXXX5Lvl6NKVBzTEFm50oeAHFrUeFMlWPufERiUArMBEi-rT7pZg3-tV4LFJIsVHhqg)

Their dissections revealed significant ganglionitis (caused most commonly repetitive compressive neuropathy) in the same places that my rehabilitation exercises work on.
-Cervico thoracic region (brachial plexus and cervical nerves) and the Lumbosacral region (lumbosacral plexus/sciatic/femoral etc)

I remember reading their report and crying, feeling so validated that what I have been chasing is finally getting some attention.

Flash forward to this weekend, I had the great pleasure of being invited in to sit and learn from some of these great minds at the Veterinary Spinal Compendium and to also share my thoughts, techniques and belief around how we can spot nerve compression based off of the patterns we see in the muscular instead of having to just guess what is going on from the inside.

These puzzles of the body take an entire team of professionals to really be able to come together and share their lenses to help us see the entire picture, and I feel very grateful that I was met with such kindness and genuine curiosity of my lens as not just a bodyworker, but as a a professional trainer and overall, a horseman.

Needless to say, I’m looking so forward to the future of the equine world with all of their information of bringing attention to neuropathic pain in horses to the forefront, and even potentially working on some form of collaborations with Dr. Kevin Haussler himself.

(Huge thank you to the lovely Deanna Drendel for bringing us together! I can’t wait to spend more time with you both).”

That’s all very lovely. Too bad it doesn’t negate the whole cult thing, and the fact that she has damaged horses with her little nerve pain hypothesized experiments :frowning:

I hope she does learn, has the courage to cease and desist with the cult BS, and actually ends up doing some good and no harm to either humans or horses from this point forward. It’s nice to have a dream.

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Ugh, she cried because her theories were finally getting validation…I hate it when people say they have this new insight that nobody had before. The Hausler study was a nice in that if provided some more data and imaging in DRG issues as well as some info on signs found in these horses. But that said, my beautiful OTTB was diagnosed with this issue 30 years ago. It was not uncommon and certainly not unknown. Even in the paper they cite references going back 30 years about DRG issues in horses. It’s not new and any good clinician knows about it.

Also, her previous info talked about brachial plexus compression behind the scapula, but this article is actually talking about compression of the dorsal nerve roots at the spine. Yes, it is all connected, but she was talking about more distal compression in the talk I saw.

I hope she learns something from Kevin. And I hope when she does, she does not claim it as her own.

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So it took a week for my practioner to get the studies regarding the link between TMD/TMJ and upper cervical position to me due to being busy treating her patients, but here they are. I hope you find them helpful in some way. :hugs:

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