Thoughts on these stallions - breed for UL Eventing

[3phase]

Back to the drawing board for next year - this year was brutal again
Based on bloodlines which stallion would you match up my mare…

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hs+wish+upon+a+star

And stallions I’m looking at:
Mighty Magic
Contendros
Diacontinus
Diatendro
Viscount (von Valentino)

Looking to produce for UL Eventing
My mare has lovely movement but looking to add to the backend power and good temperament. Would like Hanoverian, however, I like the bloodlines on MM.

Your thoughts on these studs - any experience with their foals etc.

[Willesdon]

Lots of blood in Mighty Magic and also a proven performance record… UL eventing does appear to need plenty of TB up close.

[3phase]

He’s still my #1 pick - I keep getting swayed by the others though lol.

[vineyridge]

Just remember that MM throws heavy, even if he is 3/4ths TB.

[Nadia1990]

Second MM throwing heavy, I would only use I’m on a full or very close to full TB mare (if using for eventing) because he does not throw a very ‘blood’ type foal however he is throwing some nice progeny just not refining the way people expected.

I personally love Viscount beautiful horse, great movement, great jump. very multipurpose but only time will tell if he will be a true event horses sire agin will need TB blood is using for eventing.

I quite like Contendros but don’t know much about him.

If looking at eventing neither Diacontiuns or Diatendro would be on my list. Both beautiful but bred to show jump and have not been proven otherwise (yet) so may possibly but personally I wouldn’t risk it.

from looking your mares pedigree I would personally go for a high percentage TB stallions (you were on track with MM) but maybe something that will add blood more so than MM

[elizabeth_Callahan]

I love my 5 yr old MM! He is brave, good mover, and great temperament. Out of a 1/2 TB dam, but ended up over 16.3 and way too heavy for an upper level horse although he is a fabulous xc horse. Little late to mature due to size, but winning at novice, and will move up to training next year.

[goodmorning]

What is your definition of UL? 2/3* or 4*.

As an interesting aside, I like the idea of a Now or Never with a TB for an event horse. I think it’s quite interesting. However, probably not right for your mare & you may be better off with a horse like Vallado (aka Praise). They have the added bonus of being lovely movers & fancy.

[prudence]

Maybe the newly licensed Hanoverian, Sea Lion? No idea how he would mesh with your girl but he was a star at his licensing. I remember your mare’s great-sire, H Brado. Top ten Tevis Cup finisher/wonderful eventer!

[bornfreenowexpensive]

What is your goal of UL? 2*? If so, then MM may be ok…but I would not cross him on your mare for a 3/4* prospect. You MAY get one…but the decks would not be stacked in your favor.

That said…your mare does have quite a bit of blood…even through her sire. But for 3/4* prospect, I want some more TB up close, not just in percentage of blood. So a sire like MM who has at least one parent as a full TB or AA is the right direction. The problem with many Hanovarian sires (like MM) is they crossed with a TB because the other parent is a TANK and those tank like traits can show up in later generations. You may be better off with either a full TB or AA cross on a mare if your goal is above a 2*.

ETA: I’d look at Contenda (long before Contendros) if you are interested in those bloodlines. Much more proven for event horses. I’d prefer him him on a TB for 4* prospect but he does seem to throw a nice all round type. http://contendastallion.com/contenda.html

[Nadia1990]

Have you considered Jaguar Mail, he ranked 5 on the WBSFH ranking is a high % TB and from the progeny I’ve seen seems to throw height but does not seem to throw as heavy as MM.

also like the others asked are you wanting a 2*/3* horse or a serious 4* horse because TB blood is not quite as crucial for the 2* as it is for 4* so this could impact your decision also

[TKR]

What about a Trakehner like Tatendrang - very proven and they all have alot of TB influence and a big stride. Isn’t there a son of Heraldik standing in California? I would take a look at him, too. Cyndy DeBracy’s Thoroughbred stallion is awesome in eventing and dressage, Sea Hero? Good luck!
PennyG

[bornfreenowexpensive]

[QUOTE=TKR;8396365]
What about a Trakehner like Tatendrang - very proven and they all have alot of TB influence and a big stride. Isn’t there a son of Heraldik standing in California? I would take a look at him, too. Cyndy DeBracy’s Thoroughbred stallion is awesome in eventing and dressage, Sea Hero? Good luck!
PennyG[/QUOTE]

Sea Accounts. He is also approved with a few of the WB registries in the US. I’m not sure about AHS though.

[vineyridge]

[QUOTE=TKR;8396365]
What about a Trakehner like Tatendrang - very proven and they all have alot of TB influence and a big stride. Isn’t there a son of Heraldik standing in California? I would take a look at him, too. Cyndy DeBracy’s Thoroughbred stallion is awesome in eventing and dressage, Sea Hero? Good luck!
PennyG[/QUOTE]
Hunter, the Heraldik stallion in California, might not be the best choice for a really UL horse. I’ve seen one of his on a TB mare that was heavy with a ground pounding gallop.

If you want TB, Sea Lion is now approved AHS, as well as Trakehner and Oldenburg.

[weixiao]

[QUOTE=Nadia1990;8396329]
Have you considered Jaguar Mail, he ranked 5 on the WBSFH ranking is a high % TB and from the progeny I’ve seen seems to throw height but does not seem to throw as heavy as MM.

also like the others asked are you wanting a 2*/3* horse or a serious 4* horse because TB blood is not quite as crucial for the 2* as it is for 4* so this could impact your decision also :)[/QUOTE]

Jaguar Mail is a bit like MM, where although he has a lot of blood himself he tends to throw heavier types. The nicest of his get seem to be on light, very high blood AA and TB mares. The nicest I’ve seen being Michael Jung’s fischerTakinou, who is out of an AA mare. If you are looking for a 4* horse, I wouldn’t pick him for this mare. If the OP isn’t looking for a 4* horse, then it might be interesting, although I don’t think he is approved Hann.

The level of UL is definitely going to be the deciding factor here. If you want a 4* horse, I’d definitely be looking for something with a lot of blood. What is your mare’s phenotype? Is she lighter and more of a blood type with a good gallop? Or does she take after the WB side of her breeding more in type?

Sea Accounts is AHS approved. I’d definitely look into him but defining your UL goals and your mare’s type (and how committed you are to AHS) will help narrow down a stallion list for sure.

[raffey1]

Hunter is now in the top 100 (#84) on the wbfsh 2015 sire rankings for eventing, the one USA based sire to be on the list as best I can tell. Congratulations Wendy!

[3phase]

Interesting thoughts everyone
Looking potentially for 3/4* down the road but I think to breed for even 2* right now (still looking at several years down the road anyway) is ok. If things go well, I’d potentially breed her a 2nd time.
She’s all over the map lol…her front end is quite warmbloody - nicely built uphill but the rest of her body is fairly TB, decent gallop - luckily, she has excellent feet Never had shoes on ever and she’s the easiest keeper ever.
Because I’m in Canada, I’ve been looking at the sites that ship over here - only really checked Superior and Global.
If I could, I’d really like to go Irish but not sure who ships to Canada.

[vineyridge]

Fred thinks that VDL Windsor H makes horses who can event. He’s in Canada.

If you don’t mind a pro ride, you should talk to William Micklem about Jackaroo. He advertises daily on EN, so he probably ships to NA.

There is also an intact Master Imp son in NA. I forget the details, but he’s now of breeding age.

[Nadia1990]

I like TKR suggestion a Trakehner might be a good cross

[goodpony]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;8397973]

There is also an intact Master Imp son in NA. I forget the details, but he’s now of breeding age.[/QUOTE]

Highland Imperius

[Fred]

@vineyridge;8397973

Fred thinks that VDL Windsor H makes horses who can event. He’s in Canada.

I bred my full TB A Fine Romance daughter, a full sister to an Advanced eventer and a winning Grand Prix Jumper, to VDL Windsor H. (Indoctro x Ahorn).
He shows in the jumpers and is a 1/2 brother to a GP jumper and an Advanced eventer.
I am (obviously) a TB person, and was concerned about his lack of TB blood, but I am very, very pleased with the resulting foal.
Here he is a few weeks ago, as a 2 yr old.

https://www.facebook.com/119405697399/photos/pcb.10153672297187400/10153672297047400/?type=3&theater

VDL Windsor H is located in Ontario, and has excellent semen.
If you are looking for a proven UL event sire, who produces horses with great gallop, jumping ability and courage, there is A Fine Romance.
His daughter A Little Romance just qualified for Rio.
Here she is last weekend at Galway International HT in the 3*

http://www.rideonvideo.net/watch.php?vid=1b4ebc039
I have limited frozen semen available.