Thoughts on this deworming schedule? - New question post 19

How do you define “after deworming”? Unless you’re doing FECRTs (reduction tests) to determine if the high resistant chemicals are working at least well enough (fenbendazole, pyrantel pamoate, oxibendazole), FECRTs are pretty much a waste of $$.

I did my summer fecal test and 3 out of my 4 beasts were “moderate” or “heavy” positive for “strongyle-type eggs” (the donkey, the 5-year-old horse, and the new 7-year-old pony).

It happens. 2 of my 4 were in the moderate category at last Summer’s-end FEC, after several years of everyone being “clean”. I hit them with Equimax as per usual, they were totally clean this Spring and since it was already hot by the time I had FECs actually done, I didn’t even deworm in the Spring.

That’s why you do them regularly, at least once a year, often twice in the beginning, and at least once every couple years for reliably “clean” horses. It just happens. I have one who managed a 1500 FEC several Summers ago. Never that high before, never since. He was one who was clean last Summer.

I dewormed with Strongid and retested 2 weeks later. Pony was down to “light” positive, donkey and horse both still “heavy”. I dewormed just the two of them with Safeguard and retested again 2 weeks later. Horse is finally “light” but donkey is still “moderate.” I suppose now I will try ivermectin on him and retest again??

Yes, you have done some good FECRTs to prove that neither fenbendazole nor pyrantel pamoate are effective enough on your farm, and I wouldn’t use either one of them again. The pony’s reduction was likely coincidence more than chemcal action, since you have 2 others who were not reduced.

Ivermectin is the next thing to use, yes, and you could do another FECRT but I wouldn’t bother.

Question for @JB or @Texarkana or whoever else wants to help me out: what do I do with this information? Do I avoid Strongid entirely from now on since 2 out of 3 equines did not see a reduction on it? Or do I use Strongid on the pony, Safeguard on the horse, and ivermectin on the donkey (presuming his next retest is negative)? (That would be kind of annoying since I can usually split/share tubes amongst them since the horses need more than one tube each and the little guys need less than one.)

See above - avoid it from now on. You COULD, since you still have some heavy shedders, try a combo of pyrantel and oxibendazole on one of them and see what happens. Dose by weight for each of them. The combo has proven to be more effective than each singly, in studies, but you can’t know if that’s true for your particular situation until you try it. If you find that works, then you know you can go with that combo if you’ve got someone who needs a mid-Summer or any additional deworming from here out, so you can save the macrocyclic lactones for when you truly need them (ie for bots).

Thank you, JB!!

I meant that I haven’t re-checked fecals 10-14 days after deworming before to see if there has been a reduction (until this year, with the results I detailed in my post).

Pony just arrived on the farm in July so I was thinking that she may have different parasites/resistance than the others, though I’m not sure how long that applies. I will do as you advise. Thanks again!

@Libby2563 I never got any straight answers from anyone about donkey dosages for deworming, apart from that the Donkey Sanctuary recommends to dose them at their weight + 50kg.

I still need to do the new donkey… curious to see if he follows the same pattern as my other. It’s just been such a crazy couple months that FECs have fallen pretty low on the priority list.

So, as hopefully I explained well, I wouldn’t normally bother with FECRTs when using iver/moxidectin, but would if you’re trying to determine if the others are effective

Pony just arrived on the farm in July so I was thinking that she may have different parasites/resistance than the others, though I’m not sure how long that applies. I will do as you advise. Thanks again!

ok, so pony did carry strongyles who were not resistant (enough), but is now picking up strongyles which are. You sort of have to work with the worst case scenario for all equids on your farm. I do think it’s well worth the $$ to try the combo I listed. It IS interesting that 1 horse came down to light after Safeguard - do you have actual numbers? It needs to be at least an 85% reduction. If you don’t have actual numbers, only a light/med/heavy scale, I would mostly ignore any reduction, since you don’t know if it was effective enough.

Ah, okay. No, I did not get numbers this year. The lab changed its offerings so although in the past I always wrote “FEC floatation” on my submission form to get a quantitative analysis, this year that only got me qualitative. I didn’t realize anything had changed until after I got the first set of results and since I didn’t get numbers the first time I didn’t think it was worth the extra cost to get them on the retests (esp. since I thought I would only be doing one retest!). Next time I know what to write to get a quantitative analysis.

I will try the pyrantel / oxibendazole combo next summer and see what happens! Hopefully everyone is set now until late fall Equimax.

@Texarkana: thanks for chiming in! I think I pretty much do weight + 50 kg anyway, so good to know that’s all that’s needed apparently.

Hopefully you don’t have another high enough FEC to try alternatives LOL But if you do, then definitely try that combo and do a FECRT.

The pyrantel/oxybendazole combo would work wonders on mine when I was getting high FECs in the late summer. I haven’t had to do it in several years because it worked so well.

Also, I’ve had this “pet” idea for several years that I’d like to start teaching FEC clinics for interested horse owners. I just haven’t ever pursued it seriously because I’ve received mixed feedback on the subject from veterinarians. I’m also not sure about the legality of conducting such a thing (especially as a non-vet). But it’s not a challenging skill to acquire and I think it would help owners embrace strategic deworming protocols.

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Great to know that combo worked for you. I will definitely keep it in mind.

I’d totally come to your clinic!!