Thoughts on this eventing prospect?

This forum was super helpful when my husband was looking for his new partner a couple years ago. Now it’s my turn and I’d love to get thoughts in case I’m missing anything on a prospect I’m looking at—a 7 yo OTTB.

He hasn’t done much over the last year due to owner’s schedule but has been in training and did a BN HT last year and schooled novice. Very chill demeanor and nice mover.

I felt comfortable on him on the flat, over poles, and on XC. He’s a bit of a kick ride in the arena but perks up once we start jumping and even more so in the field, but comes back easily.

His two front feet are slightly different. Doesn’t seem to impact him and our trainer wasn’t too concerned given I have no plans to go above training or modified. But I’ll definitely ask our vet and farrier for their thoughts.

Videos here:


Indoor conformation photo is from 2020 or 2021. Outdoor is from this week. He could use a little weight added on.

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There is nothing here that woudl give me pause. he looks like a great prospect.

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His farrier is doing him no favors. He has been off the track long enough that his feet should be corrected by now. If you go with him, make sure you find a better farrier because those feet pictures would certainly cause overall body discomfort.

I loved him off of the video. He looks like a good egg. I did see some inconsistent steps behind, I’d imagine related to his feet if anything. Certainly not a horse I’d let leave my barn willingly. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Just to be sure, I’d get images.

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I think he looks lovely, and like a nice ride.

Agree with @beowulf on a new farrier, and @Sparrowette on images - they will help the new farrier anyways, if it turns out there’s no deal breakers inside.

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Very cute and you look comfortable with him! I agree with the comments about farrier, especially the hind angles - he looks pretty negative to me, and that’s a common problem in TBs. It can significantly affect the back and SI. I’d also shoot rads to look for kissing spines, after dealing with this and my TB, can honestly say I will never travel this road again. Nothing short of incredibly distressing.

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Fortunately we do have a different farrier (prospect is at a farm nearby) who’s pretty good. Our trainer was also unsure why his left and right were shod differently. Will definitely request images if they’re not already in his records from last year.

He also previously had back shoes but his owner removed them for economical reasons. I’d probably consider putting them back on, timing to be discussed w our farrier.

@beowulf can you point out where in the videos you saw the inconsistent steps? I’m trying to train my eyes to be better so it’s always helpful when people can show me things they’re seeing that I’ve missed!

Can you elaborate on how they were shod differently on the hinds? I would definitely look into that as that is a red flag for me.

He looks to have pretty typical TB feet. The hoof walls do not look the strongest, he will highly likely need to stay shod to remain sound, and he does have a high and low heel on the fronts which may be normal for him (it is normal for many horses). The front left’s heel is more under run and it appears the steel shoes are creating friction on the heels which is causing the front feet, especially the left, to perpetually have an under run heel and long toe. Not uncommon but I would be curious how frequently he is getting shod. His hoof wall and growth may not be ideal, preventing them from having a shorter shoeing cycle which is not ideal for correcting the heels. A good consistent farrier I think will be a must and I do not see him as a barefoot candidate.

He has had time off and understandably, will need to be brought back into work. I would do a thorough PPE to ensure he is not out of work because of unsoundness. He does throw himself into canter transitions which may be due to weakness but I would investigate that, especially with the unusual shoeing on the hinds, in the PPE.

ETA: I may have misunderstood which feet are being shod differently. Would love to know more about what differences in shoeing you saw.

Also, the hinds look slightly dubbed in the last post of the hind feet. Wondering if the hoof wall is chipping to the point of having to slightly over shorten the toe. He would likely be more comfortable shod on the hinds.

Sorry, I meant it’s his front feet that are shod differently. It’s a little hard to tell from the photo that I got but when looking straight on, the left front has a pretty normal shape whereas the right front has a slightly club foot shape.

Our trainer did point out issues with the front shoes, too. I don’t remember his exact words, though maybe he was picking up on the same things you pointed out.

Do you mean that the shoeing technique is different or that the shape of the front feet are different? If the technique is different, then that is a red flag. If shape is different, then not as big of a red flag.

The different shape is due to a high and low heel. The right front has a higher heel, the left front has a lower heel. Some horse’s have mismatched feet and lead sound careers despite that. You have to look at the balance of each foot individually when shoeing, therefore, the answer is not always to make each hoof look identical. The left front has a more pronounced underrun heel and longer toe than the right. I would be curious how often the horse is getting shod. If shod at 7 weeks, then the shoeing is likely not frequent enough to really correct the under run heel and long toe, especially when perpetuated by friction from the shoe lowering the heel and allowing the toe to grow long. This is a common problem with steel shoes. If being shod at 5-6 weeks, you should see better hoof balance with a skilled farrier. The horse may not grow hoof fast enough to have sufficient hoof wall to nail at 5 weeks, however. That is why I’d ask how often the horse is shod. Having a longer shoeing cycle is going to perpetuate those problems and not all horses have sufficient growth and hoof wall to reshoe at 5 weeks, though most do have something to work with with as long as they aren’t pulling shoes with a skilled farrier. If the horse has a tendency to pull shoes in combination with poor hoof walls, that can make nailing a shoe on every 5 weeks very difficult.

If you were an owner set on having a barefoot horse or had limited access to a good and consistent farrier, I’d say the hooves will likely be an issue. But if you don’t mind shoeing all 4s and have access to a good farrier, then the feet will likely not be an issue, just something that has to be managed. You can always try hoof supplements, etc., but a lot of horses just have a genetic disposition to a certain hoof type. This horse may be one of them.

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The confirmation photo from 2020 shows him with nice short toes, so the long toes we see now aren’t from the track farrier.

He is very cute.

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It’s the feet that are different shaped–so glad to know that’s not usually a big issue.

The BM confirmed he’s currently shod every 5 weeks and is due on Sept 5. So based on your notes, sounds like having a different farrier will benefit?

Looks like a handsome dude. I like x-rays, too, though they can complicate a decision. We’ve probably all known horses with imperfect images who nearly never set a foot wrong.

Is it rude to ask about his pedigree? I mean, because he’s a gelding, it’s totally idle curiosity. I love learning how the younger crops of TBs are linked to the older lines like Blushing Groom, Mr. Prospector, and a few other personal favorites.

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The current farrier is doing the horse no favors but I can’t fully access why that may be without seeing the feet more. I’d make sure your PPE evaluates the feet and just have a vet access that the hoof wall, etc., is not is terrible shape.

There are some stress lines on the walls of the front feet that look to have occurred about 2 months or so ago. They aren’t terribly pronounced but sometimes that can indicate changes in the hoof. If they changed feed or training routine, started working him on hard surfaces, etc., the. that can create stress lines, but sometimes they are caused by laminitis episodes or inflammation in the feet. Something I’d also point out to your vet.

Yeah I get the same nervous feeling about images, too. I just got the vet records with the images they got from the PPE a year ago. I’m not seeing anything that looks like kissing spine. The rest of the images I’ll leave to the experts.

No problem sharing his pedigree. He does have Mr Prospector. I don’t recognize the sire’s line other than Storm Cat.

https://www.pedigreequery.com/taichung+bobby

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Here are the images they took last year if that helps

:heart_eyes: Carson City.
The Blushing Groom - Mr. Prospector combination seems a good one.
Big bodied, easy going (for TBs), resilient horses.
Obviously there are more generations in between for the newer crops and plenty of lines I don’t know. I always look for those two, though, and Carson City is a lovely exemplar of the mix.

His father is Shanghai Bobby. He was a very good racehorse and cute! I don’t know what his disposition is like or how his offspring do as sport horses.

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It looks like the high and low heel issue has been chronic. I would get your vet to check out the differences in palmar angle between the RF and LF and see if they have any concerns.

Here are a few pictures of his father (Shanghai Bobby). He was at a farm in Kentucky but now he’s in Japan.

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