wait i missed something… why was amy tryon eliminated?
She fell on course. It was so unfortunate :no:
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wait i missed something… why was amy tryon eliminated?[/QUOTE]
She fell off Poggio. He hung a leg and stumbled after the jump and she came off. Both are fine.
oh no! are they both alright?
Mary King is simply brilliant and I love that she has been so emotional over her divine horse. She truly is a legend.
As for Tryon/O’Connor/Holder, I could not be more disappointed in them. Sure conditions are hard but that was just plain bad riding if you should happen to ask me.
What a beautiful course. Well done, Mike, again. I was so glad and relieved to see the horses coming in so fresh and happy. PHEW!!
Bed time now.:winkgrin:
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Mary King’s last ride of the day in the pouring rain: the stuff of legend.[/QUOTE]
Truly truly truly. She seemed to achieve the speed others were looking for, but with the associated and calculated risk, aggressive, smart and passionate riding, and a wonderful horse.
Hurrah for the one fall rule?
I would say - yes.
Especially after this years Badminton…
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Truly truly truly. She seemed to achieve the speed others were looking for, but with the associated and calculated risk, aggressive, smart and passionate riding, and a wonderful horse.[/QUOTE]
Coming off at the next to last fence while in the lead and she will still gracious and phillosphical about it. I am sure it made her even more determined when she set out today. She really stuck it at the double brush which I was really worried about. She and Cavy nailed it and I let out woop and yipee.
Mary XC round made my night along with no rider or horse seriously hurt (sigh of relief)
Not quite the greatest showing. Do three scores count in the SJ? Well, Amy is EL, so four are going. How much can you move up? If three horses have three rails each (or an average - hasn’t worse happened?) That’s 5x3=15x3=45. Well, maybe a bronze is possible if we had three clears? Connaught (possible/likely), Comet (possible), McKinlaigh?, Mandiba?.
Who are these yahoos waiting for interviews and talking about a truck?
Some lady talking about getting pictures in front of the pandas, a guy complaining about picking up cable all day tomorrow, too funny. It actually looked like a golf course.
I agree that Mary King’s ride was legendary. She is always so wonderful to watch and it certainly helps that she is a good sport when the chips go her way and when they don’t. That’s who I am rooting for tomorrow.
I thought the course design was fantastic. My theory is that you can basically tell who was riding with horsemanship in mind and who was not by looking at the rides through the last combination (double brush angles.) There were some fit and strong combinations that rode it beautifully. There were some tired horses that were ridden so accurately and with so much focus that they jumped it great (Phillip and Mary King.) There were some wise pairs that weren’t having the perfect day and opted to go around. And then there were a few who were tired, not on the game, strung out etc and attempted the straight route without the focus and accuracy…and they were penalized. Great course design!
Certainly the American rides (except Gina and Phillip) were disapointing. I can not imagine spending that much time and money to make it to an event of this caliber and then having a run out or dumb fall…how do you deal with that??? It does make you think- while we have ironed out our old dressage issues, we have lost some of the great XC riding we used to display. The Aussies, Germans and Brits schooled us out there today! Of course, the Aussies and Brits have been doing that for a long time, but the Germans seem like they have finally found a groove and I think with their horseflesh they are only going to become more dominant.
Well, in Karen’s case, you deal with it by remembering that your horse is young and inexperienced. She thought he could handle the direct route, but he decided otherwise. He’s already learned from it.
In Amy’s case? Poggio was WAY fresh and S T R O N G. She was pulling with all her might to almost no avail. A lack of prep? Maybe, who knows? But he hung a leg and got caught up because the two were fighting each other. I’m just glad that it wasn’t as bad as it could have been. I’m sure she is, as well.
It was a tough course. Twisty, jumps appearing quickly, and very, very short. 8 minutes was the time allotted? Yowza! Now, I’m just a lowly h/j rider, but I can certainly appreciate a difficult time allowed.
I dunno, maybe I’m just stoked that we’re actually getting to see the action!
Certainly the American rides (except Gina and Phillip) were disapointing. I can not imagine spending that much time and money to make it to an event of this caliber and then having a run out or dumb fall…how do you deal with that???
You go home and practice.
We can say a lot from our comfy chairs at home, but they’re out riding in 160* weather (by the misery index) under intense pressure on a very difficult course that was designed to challenge. I’m of the opinion that we can’t cry “dumb error!” unless we’re the ones out there.
I didn’t see Amy’s fall but as soon as Poggio came out breathing fire, I was holding my breath. He looked just about unrideable today. I know that that can be par for the course for this horse, but it’s a tough break for him to come out hot on a day like this. I don’t blame Amy.
Karen’s horse is young. She rode beautifully up to that complex and thought he could handle the direct route, which she tried to take for the team. It didn’t work. Mandiba is young and inexperienced and he will know for next time. Again, a shame for it to happen at this caliber of competition.
Did not see Becky’s run-outs so can’t comment, but my inclination is not to condemn Karen and Amy for poor riding, but to just write it off as a tough break for the USA. Let’s move on and root for Gina and Phillip as individuals–if Gina has a good stadium round, she’s in contention!
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It actually looked like a golf course.[/QUOTE]
It WAS a golf course. 
Just like LA in 1984, when they had the XC inland from Del Mar in San Diego County. They took a big open area that was planned to be a golf course in a big new development, and building fences that could then be translated into features of the golf course (like a “golfers bench” jump).
The 96 Olympics in Atlanta was also held on a golf course. Mom & I (the horse nuts) took great joy in taking pictures of horses galloping across the greens and past the sand traps for my dad (an avid golfer) :lol:
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Did not see Becky’s run-outs so can’t comment, but my inclination is not to condemn Karen and Amy for poor riding, but to just write it off as a tough break for the USA. [/QUOTE]
I was just on the phone discussing this and said that I’ll bet the response to this will be anything but rider error…after all americans do not make mistakes do they, it was someone else’s fault, or when one does not want to take responsibility…it becomes bad luck. Call it like it was…some poor riding. Nothing against the riders, we all make mistakes…the US Team just made them all on the same course. If we are to write it off then we do not learn from it.
Becky takes responsibility per her quote in the COTH coverage:
"Holder said she waited too long to set up for the angled dragons at fence 21AB, where Courageous Comet ended up running by the first one. She then crossed her path en route to the second one and received another 40 penalties for a technical refusal. “I misjudged the hill and how long it would take to get him on his feet,” she said. “By the end I had taken one too many tugs. He was there for me the whole way; it was my fault. I wish I could have that moment back.”
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Becky takes responsibility per her quote in the COTH coverage:
"Holder said she waited too long to set up for the angled dragons at fence 21AB, where Courageous Comet ended up running by the first one. She then crossed her path en route to the second one and received another 40 penalties for a technical refusal. “I misjudged the hill and how long it would take to get him on his feet,” she said. “By the end I had taken one too many tugs. He was there for me the whole way; it was my fault. I wish I could have that moment back.”[/QUOTE]
And I will bet that Becky will learn from this and be that much better next time out. That is key here…own your mistake, learn from it, abd be better the next time. To dismiss it as just bad luck without looking into the underlying cause is to not learn from it.
This lady works hard on improving herself at every opportunity…even at the Olympics. Some would do well to take a page out of her book.
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I was just on the phone discussing this and said that I’ll bet the response to this will be anything but rider error…after all americans do not make mistakes do they, it was someone else’s fault, or when one does not want to take responsibility…it becomes bad luck. Call it like it was…some poor riding. Nothing against the riders, we all make mistakes…the US Team just made them all on the same course. If we are to write it off then we do not learn from it.[/QUOTE]
Karen’s already admitted her mistake and apologized to the team. She stated that she made the wrong decision. She did this directly after running the course.
EDIT: And Becky admitted her mistake…
I appreciate what you are saying about owning up to mistakes, snoopy, but I think making a blanket statement that ‘all americans do not make mistakes…’ is a misnomer.
Nobody is excusing the riders. I, as a matter of fact, said Karen made the mistake that she thought Mandiba could handle the direct route and screwed up and Mandiba said otherwise. Karen even admitted as much with an “I’m sorry,” to her teammates at the finish.
I also said that Poggio probably could have been prepared a little better since he was a freight train (though it’s no secret that this horse is like this at times, no matter the prep) and Amy wasn’t riding so well with having to pull all the way through. They interfered with each other. If she had left him alone in front of the fence, he probably would’ve gotten his legs out of the way. OH WELL.
I didn’t see Becky’s, but she obviously explained well that she screwed up.
BUT we also have to realize that the horses are the partner in this. In one case, the horse is young and inexperienced. Even the correct ride can go awry because of the aforementioned fact. Yes, the rider should’ve thought of that (and she actually did, erring in judgement, as she admitted), but she also had to think her horse could handle it.
In the other case, the horse was a beast totally ignoring his rider. Even the strongest person can pull all they want and ride backward to gain control, but it doesn’t always work. Rider was doing what is usually needed to get an out-of-control animal back into control, but horse was still lengthening stride and doing as he pleased.
My personal opinion, especially as someone who does a fantastic job of getting in the way of the horses she rides, it was a 2-way street yesterday. Not just for the Americans, but for a few others, as well. And each & every person and animal certainly learned from it.
