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tieback surgery- tell me everything

Im struggling because I’m getting mixed reviews on whether or not my horse needs tieback surgery for his stage 4 roaring.
(Trainer thinks he 100% needs the surgery asap. Primary care vet thinks he can get along fine w/o it.)

He has a tieback surgery in early October, and I want to hear from all y’all who’ve had experience with this. was it worth it? did it actually help?

P.S. he’s having his surgery done at one of the best large animal clinics in the country, so I AM confident in the skill of his surgeons & post-op care.

Background Info
He’s a 2009 OTTB, diagnosed with staged 4 roaring. I bought him about 7 months ago. The goal is to do eventing, beginner novice to novice level. His roaring is VERY obvious. He has been nicknamed Darth Vader because his breathing is so dang loud, even when he’s chilling out in his paddock. He has snot dripping down his nose after any workout. However, he seems to be okay jumping 2’0’ to 2’3’ courses… that said he gets winded easily and has a high respiration rate during rides. My biggest concern is that he tires quickly- he can only jump 7-8 jumps before he starts knocking rails and getting sluggish. I can’t tell if it’s due to his roaring or fitness…

We had an advanced horse in our barn who had had tie back surgery before he came to us. The only thing it did was make it so he couldn’t really whinny. Otherwise he was perfectly normal. He tended to be a bit of a heavy breather but had no problem getting fit and needed no extra care so I am assuming the surgery helped.

They generally do need a little extra care. The tieback surgery incision is very cool - you will learn a lot.

Keep his food on the ground (including grain), low haynets (as safe as possible if you need to use haynets). Keep in mind that while tie-back surgery itself isn’t the most limiting thing in the world, it can affect their athleticism. You’ll have to take extra care to get and keep them fit for the most part, and take care to monitor them closely when doing strenuous work.

Most, if not all of them, can’t really whinny once it’s done.

Understand that there’s different surgery options – just the tieback, just the removal of the vocal cords, or both. Different pro/cons.

The horses that “can’t whinny” – it’s from the vocal cord removal. HOWEVER, it is often not that they can’t make sound, they just lack the pitch and volume that they previously had. Almost all the horses that I know that have had vocal cord removal, including my own horse, still whinny at their buddies or for their breakfast. It’s just a whisper-y whinny.

The initial post-op care is intense if you have the full tieback done, but many horses go back to normal life in a few months. Some do better with grain on the ground, or soaked hay, but many return to their previous eating conditions once they have healed.

If surgery has affected their athleticism, that’s a big concern that needs to be brought to the vet’s attention. The purpose of surgery is to INCREASE their athleticism. My horse that had the tieback and vocal cord removal is 1000 times more athletic and simple to get fit than before, because now he can BREATHE. Roaring affects athleticism, surgery should cure that. Only removing the vocal cords will take away the roaring noise and give the horse some more breathing room, but a true tieback will vastly improve their airflow.

Tieback was the best thing I ever did for my horse.

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Understand that there’s different surgery options – just the tieback, just the removal of the vocal cords, or both. Different pro/cons.

The horses that “can’t whinny” – it’s from the vocal cord removal. HOWEVER, it is often not that they can’t make sound, they just lack the pitch and volume that they previously had. Almost all the horses that I know that have had vocal cord removal, including my own horse, still whinny at their buddies or for their breakfast. It’s just a whisper-y whinny.

The initial post-op care is intense if you have the full tieback done, but many horses go back to normal life in a few months. Some do better with grain on the ground, or soaked hay, but many return to their previous eating conditions once they have healed.

If surgery has affected their athleticism, that’s a big concern that needs to be brought to the vet’s attention. The purpose of surgery is to INCREASE their athleticism. My horse that had the tieback and vocal cord removal is 1000 times more athletic and simple to get fit than before, because now he can BREATHE. Roaring affects athleticism, surgery should cure that. Only removing the vocal cords will take away the roaring noise and give the horse some more breathing room, but a true tieback will vastly improve their airflow.

Tieback was the best thing I ever did for my horse.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps I wasn’t clear - it’s not the surgery that inhibits athleticism, it’s the condition. Surgery will usually help with athleticism but the horse may not ever have the same performance as a non-affected horse. Both types of tie back procedures do interfere with the function of the larynx, which we can assume would negatively affect athleticism.

I’m assuming that the OP has at some point scoped to see the structural “damage” of the larynx. Then they decide whether or not they will stitch the flap back (as in “tie back”) or remove it. IMHO neither is better than the other, both seem to have failures as well as successes - though it seems without the flap that some horses are more prone to aspirating/pneumonia. Which is why you would usually feed them on the ground.

The care after is very labor intensive. It’s a cool incision but it can be terrifying if you’re not comfortable with exposed organs and open wounds.

Whether or not it works… well… depends on the horse, the vet, and the management. Including if it’s realistic to work the horse at XYZ level. I took care of one with tie-back for a year. He is a great horse, but does really need extra management – the tie-back affected his sensitivities to allergens (vet thinks it’s because the tie-back interferes w/ protective function of larynx). He can’t be outside much in the spring, has to be ridden conservatively in the spring, and takes a lot to get fit. He is a “fit type” (Connemara X TB) and it is more grueling getting him into shape than a clyde. BUT the surgery did improve his airway function.

But then there are other horses where the surgery does not help at all.

In all honesty, if I had it to do again, I would listen to my primary vet who told me not to do it.

I had just the tie back procedure done, not the ventriculocordectomy. Aftercare was a breeze; they just had to remove the staples. My horse is not any worse off, but I can’t say that his airway is greatly improved. The noise is the same and although he does not cough a lot, he always coughs a bit after eating and when we start riding. He still gets winded easily on humid days and it takes longer than normal for his respiration rate to return to normal. He still takes extra time to bring to fitness. For the money and the risks I now deal with, I really don’t think it was worth it.

Are you sure the nasal discharge is from this condition and not from something like allergies or an infection? Mine never had discharge before the surgery. He has some now after eating.

I used an excellent surgeon at a top clinic. If you get it done, make sure the surgeon that you use is a specialist in THROAT surgery; I think that makes a huge difference. But I would first try to increase his fitness level and see if that helps the sluggishness. Good luck!

thanks for this… not gonna lie, it helps me feel better :slight_smile: ultimately, I want my horse to be as healthy as possible and part of that is being able to breathe

his surgeon is a specialist in soft tissue surgery, whose done many many tiebacks before.
And he is having tieback surgery, where the flap of cartilage will be stitched back.

What about recovery time??? What is it like resuming training post-op?

My horse (GRade 3 roarer) had a tie-back surgery with a ventriculocordectomy at the State University. After care not hard even though the wound was a bit scary to look at.

Horse is much healthier.

We keep feed and water below the point of his shoulder. No choking no nasty drainage…

Ok he has a weird whinny and would get time faults at preliminary event Cross Country

He is so much healthier that is a real plus

My gelding had the procedure about 5 years ago with a top vet. After care was gross but he recovered fully and had a successful career as a show hunter and is now doing well as a dressage horse. I’d do it all again. It made this horse much more comfortable and useful.