These were/are cephaparin, an atibiotic used to treat mastitis in cow. One used to be able to go to the farm store and pick up a tube. Where are people getting them now?
As of June 2023, veterinary antibiotics are now controlled substances, and you need to obtain them, or a prescription for them from your licensed veterinarian. There must be a verified veterinarian-client-patient relationship for the animal.
The FDA did this due to concerns about development of resistance to antibiotics.
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Maybe try copper sulfate? If it’s a hoof condition
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I am aware of this rule. Yet CAFOs still use antibiotics. The rule is BS. The vets must have a powerful lobby. Getting a tube from a vet is now $10 where you could get a box of 12 tubes for $45, or $3.75 a tube, from the local farm store.
I was just wondering if people were able to get it outside of vets…heck you can get Viagra and Cialis without visitng a doc.
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What’s CuSO4 got to do with cephaparin? Copper sulfate is used to kill molds (fungi), not bacteria.
I thought (and I could be totally wrong) that vendors selling prescription drugs “without a script” either have a doc in-house who is using telemed and/or other information to justify their “script,” which is usually sold to you at an inflated price so they can profit off of playing loose and fast with their license, or are illegally selling from off shore and will eventually get an FDA cease and desist
Also, they aren’t antibiotics. However crushing up viagra and putting it in the hoof might help. 
We used to use it quite a bit in veterinary medicine.
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Tomorrow is often used to treat thrush or white line disease.
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Are you basing your mastitis treatment on culture data?
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Hoofs, boobs (udders)…who asked anything about these body parts? All I asked is if people were able to get Today/Tomorrow without a vet. I was wondering if some creative, enterprising entity had decided there was a business opportunity once this law passed.
it’s anti-bacterial as well as anti-fungal
"The copper sulfate salts has significant antibacterial activity against multi-drug resistant nosocomial pathogens. "
Antibiotic resistance - actual and imminent, is a real problem. It’s not BS
The number of people who grab Today/Tomorrow for every little hoof issue, is relatively large, and the vast majority of those things don’t even warrant any sort of antibiotic. The number of people who slap on antibiotic ointments for every little nick and scrape is enormous, and the vast majority of those things don’t even warrant any sort of antibiotic
Yes, CAFOs still use antibiotics, and that’s a whole 'nother ballgame that needs to get under control. That doesn’t mean everyone else needs to go back to getting all these antibiotics OTC for decades more of incorrect use
I don’t think vets had anything to do with this. Vets are in a shortage, they certainly didn’t generally lobby to have MORE work put on them to stock these and have to spend more time and paperwork to go through proper channels to 1) evaluate an animal for the need, and 2) write the scrip and keep up inventory control
ALL things coming from vets have a markup. Always has, always will. Some more, some less. Many vets are totally ok with OK’ing a prescription through an online source, especially for cases where it’s a longer-term deal. Do that.
Well, hoof issues are what most horse people use these drugs/products for, so it’s reasonable to ask, and to suggest an alternative that works quite well when used properly
Can you get Excede without an Rx? Banamine? Tetracycline? It’s no different, and you were obviously aware of the ruling that passed a few years ago. Rx is Rx.
That said, some places seem to have some level of stock left that they hoarded when the announcement was made and are still legally selling them without an Rx. If you can find one of those that you trust to not be selling counterfeit stuff, then do that.
What guarantee do you have it’s actually the real drug? There are plenty of counterfeit products out there. Some countries decided men don’t need a Rx, and leave it up to a pharmacist to decide if it’s ok for a given man to take it. I don’t know if the US is one of those. Don’t assume just because someone is selling what is, or used to be, an Rx-only drug, that it’s the real deal, or legal.
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I never said “antibiotic resistance is BS.” I agree that AB resitance is a problem.
The BS part is that the systemic adminstration of antibiotics into animals destined for the food supply is a greater problem than the local schmoes who smear some antibiotic cream on a hoof or a cut. This route of application is topical administration, NOT systemic.
“Systemic” medication delivery allows the antibiotic to enter the animal’s bloodstream and circulate throughout the entire body. These animals get slaughtered and their body parts are consumed by humans… which contributes to the spread of the antibiotic resistance in the human population. This systemic route is in contrast to “topical” administration, where the drug’s effect is generally localized to the site of application.
THIS^^^^ is the oversight that I said was BS. Why are CAFO’s allowed to administer sytemic antibiotics?
I would be interested in some of the resident vets educating me.
In any case, I guess I have my answer. No one is answering my question.
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In the US any human prescription comes from a licensed medical professional with the legal authority to prescribe in the state (state rules vary a bit). These products are FDA approved for Rx (prescription) only. The online Viagra, generic Viagra, etc. prescriptions all go through a telehealth professional.
There’s a separate FDA approval process for OTC (over the counter) products and you’ll see some things go from Rx only to OTC over time. Anything OTC does not require a prescription.
In theory at least, if there’s the potential for abuse, misuse or generally f-ing it up then it’s a prescription.
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I totally understand the “system.” I was just wondering if someone had taken the Viagra/Cialis telehealth model and applied it to equine medicine.
Totally agree. I am old enough to remember when Benadryl and Monistat were prescription only.
Not really…they just put it behind the pharmacy counter and ask for ID…see pseudoephedrine…aka Sudafed.
CAFOs for long time and especially today have to keep logs of all medications and are visited in person by their vets practically every day.
CAFOs have pens in programs that restrict if and what and how they can use any products or practices.
OP, get your vet to sell you what you need.
May be cheaper in the long run to spend a few more dollars than looking for ways around regulations? 
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I’ve use copper sulfate powder mixed with 40% zinc oxide and administered with a curved tip syringe and it worked just as well as the Today/Tomorrow.
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Used it for what?
Thrush
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