Tongue Hanging Out

Has anyone had any success with a horse that hangs its tongue out the side of his mouth? As in stopping this behavior?

I was just offered the ride on a horse that supposedly does this. He’s very sweet and safe safe safe. Kind of an absent owner situation, I haven’t talked to her extensively about what he’s been through or what she’s tried but BM is a friend of my trainer and knows the horse well.

Horse is ~17hh young warmblood, a little behind in training but wtc under saddle and hacks out. Had a tendon repaired as a 3 yr but fully recovered and cleared for everything by the vet, though she didn’t recommend we try to run him at Rolex. Teeth are UTD. BM was in the market for a young horse and wanted to buy him ~6 mos ago but trainer said no because of the tongue issue and BM wants to show.

I’m not concerned about showing this horse, the owner is looking for someone to put miles on him or some 1st/2nd level stuff to sell to another amateur owner to have fun with as he is so safe. Thoughts on tongue? Anyone had it go away with work?

Mine started putting out her tongue when she became stressed from the work. We checked teeth, was treated for lymes (positive tests) and ulcers. Changed bits (didn’t make a difference). She has specific times, specific exercises where the tongue comes out (always on the left side) and we’ve 95% cured it with the treatments above. Asking her to REALLY use her weaker right hind was/is a trigger. As she’s now able to better work through the weakness and is gaining more strength, it’s more stress at this point where she sticks out the tongue.

if you can find a pattern as to when the tongue comes out, that may lead you to being able to stop the habit. Good luck. Sounds like a wonderful, cool headed youngster.

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What gailbyrd said.

I’ll add that a friend of mine purchased an upper level Iberian somewhat cheaply because he always hung his tongue out. She did clinics with great people and I knew her through clinics with an GP-level stallion trainer. She brought the horse through FEI but didn’t show because of the tongue. She put a lot of money into diagnosing the problem but nothing but habit showed up in his case. Ultimately, showing didn’t matter to her as much as progressing up the levels, and he they did. This clinician had worked with her for years (she sponsored him) and knew the tongue was a habit at this point.

If this is a habit in this horse’s case, the tongue out may not hamper a buyer who wants a fun and safe horse who doesn’t plan to show.

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If maybe you knew when he did it you could pop a sugar cube or piece of candy in his mouth then work into the movement that causes him stress. Maybe he’d keep his tongue in his mouth while he still experiences the sweet.

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I had a teenaged Hanoverian gelding who would poke his tongue out on the left as a barometer for how honest the connection was. Lots of tongue, lots of posing. Not a whole lot of tongue, maybe honest in the bridle (although no guarantees).

Showed through 4th with reasonable scores, but I did make sure to give lots of sugar before warming up to get a bit of foam cover.

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Yes, I’m wondering if it has to do with strength/balance/confidence as he is young and not much work put into him as far as riding goes. I saw him Sunday and he was undermuscled. Thanks.

I don’t know enough about the horse to know if it is a matter of stress, habit, or lack of strength. I do give a lot of treats though.

Interesting. I believe this guy is a Hano too. I’m also thinking it has to do with strength and connection but we will have to see. Fourth is great!!

I have struggled with this on my horse and agree with cnm161 it is a barometer of how honest they are in the bridle - really working back to front & supple. Like Gailbyrd, this horse has a weak RH and has many tricks on why she shouldn’t use it. What I have found that works in my situation is straightness and lots of exercises to get the horse to use it’s shoulders correctly.

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Another vote for honesty in the connection. I had an old trainer once tell me that tongue problems come from the leg, which, before they become simply habitual, I believe to be true (i.e., the connection).

Many OTTBs have this habit ( I know you’re asking about a WB but there may be applicability). If you watch races much, you’ll see horses with tongues out, and some that have their tongues tied. I have one of those horses! She’s a great ride, but that tongue will loll despite her being so relaxed that her ears are gently flopping as we trot around.

Echoing @Calhoun, straightness will keep my mare’s tongue in. Even a 1/4" out of straight and out it will come. Also, we found that she subtly crosses her jaw. When she takes the bit evenly, tongue stays in. For fun, my coach came back from Europe with this little rubber thing for the bit. It’s kind of a mini flap that attaches to the middle of the bit. My mare had fun playing with it and it kept her tongue in. Of course, not legal to use in the show ring.

I knew a woman who owned a stunning Hanoverian gelding who had that habit. Her engineer father made a little gizmo that attached low on the cheek piece of the bridle. Not exactly sure how it was rigged, but with a small battery it would give the horse a small shock if he stuck his tongue out. She only used it when schooling. It didn’t work permanently, but certainly long enough to do a test! I couldn’t bring myself to do that to my sweet mare.

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Like said above, can be related to the honesty of the contact.

My opinion, most of the time it is that. There is also the slight possibility that the tongue is too long/big for the horse once a bridle is added, causing it to hang out the side. Some tend to flop more than others. If the horse raced, some have nerve damage from tongue ties as well.

Myler has a tongue relief bit, its ported, but its a low wide port giving the tongue more space. Some of these bits works and some do nothing, its on a horse by horse basis, which can be quite expensive to do trials of.

Yikes! I could never do this.

I’m not sure of the bitting set up or what they have tried but I suppose I will know when/if I start working with him more.

Thanks.

I would maybe check for EPM, the tongue hanging out and being undermuscled are both symptoms.

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He is not mine to make those decisions and undermuscled because he is not in work. If it continues to be an issue we can discuss further.

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I had one. Young Hannoverian too, as it happens. He’d been trained as a hunter. He was ridden and shown by a relatively green ammy with bad hands. I fixed it by getting control of the hind end, riding him forward and straight into the contact. If the tongue came out I tapped the hind leg on the same side (he was unilateral in his tongue out sides). My coach explained it to me thusly: “Reread your Podjasky!” :smiley: Another trainer saw me on him in the warmup at a show hanging his tongue out and came over and tightened my flash to the point he couldn’t get it out. I don’t recommend that as a fix (or for any other reason for that matter), but it was an expedient that day. Correct riding is what cured him of that habit and he never did it again, even at shows or under stress.

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It could be all those things mentioned above, or it could be hock or back pain.

I am following this thread with interest as I have known one horse (well-ish**) who. had the tongue issue AND because that one habit/problem is enough to take a horse out of the dressage show ring. (Damn, we have gotten fussy.)

And so I offer an additional observation from that one horse and a whacky idea.

The horse I knew who stuck his tongue out was actually a hunter, and ridden that way, who, I’ll bet, had some kissing spines or similar lurking. He could randomly land from a fence and buck so as to put a professional 10’ in the air. He was sent to me to try and figure out, LOL. The other big feature I noticed was that this horse really internalized his stress. He was big and stoic and, I’d say a bit humorless, so far as I could tell. The two asterisks above about knowing this horse “well-ish” is that I think I got to know him as well as someone could, but that he was quite hard to read. I’m a better horsewoman now that I was then, some 15 years ago and maybe I’d have a different assessment of his mind.

But my point for all y’all is that it seems to me that this horse’s tongue stuff was a form of self-distraction and self-soothing. He lived his life a bit emotionally isolated from the people around him, so when he was uncomfortable with something under saddle, I think he figured out a way to cope with it and keep going.

Also, there are some horses who are more oral than others. So their stress-- good or bad— comes out their mouth. These are the horses who are more into making faces or nipping or pointing their lip than is the average bear. So I wonder if those guys come predisposed to putting their tongue out if they have some stress to express and manage. Another horse would express his stress a different way, say, tail wringing.

Which leads me to my whacky idea: Does a young horse putting its tongue out mean that we ought to be figuring out how to ride it in a different style (at least for that moment in his stress-inducing education) and perhaps in a hackamore or at least a less constricting noseband? If we took all stimulus out of his mouth, would be drop that form of self-soothing before it became his go-to habit? Also, should we take some care with the stoic, “internalizing” horse to invite him to express himself, good, bad or ugly, so that he put his stress on the outside of his body and feel relief from it? I think a horse who felt that his rider can lead him to stress, but also help him find peace from it is that horse who can learn to like his job because he develops self-confidence from being trained.

Also, I’m not deep into the Western World, but I wonder if tongues sticking out is not A Thing there, in part, because they ride their horses with a different bitting philosophy. Don’t get me wrong: I’m sure there is plenty of internalized stress for the average Western show horse. And AQHA’s have been bred to have a different mind than does the average TB or WB. But they are not asked to go around with constant contact that has some degree of pressure to it, all.the.time. Rather, the bit to a western rider is a “signal device” where it’s only moved in the horse’s mouth if the rider has something to say. The goal, then, is for the horse to just “pack the bit around” such that it lies in his mouth wherever the weight and shape of it do in a very comfortable, neutral way, most of the time. So does our style of riding play a part in how these horses develop the habit?

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I don’t know, but I do know that it depends on the Western style of riding.

Many Western horses (not all) are started in a bosal to take the bit out of the equation. The horse gets cues mostly from seat and legs and the nose and poll pressure from the rope halter. Many of those horses move to snaffles, where the rider uses two reins independently. The “bridle horses” then move to the major shank curbs, but they are ridden correctly and are graduated to neck reining.

I know several Western trainers and they match the horse with the best way of going, whether it be a snaffle, a curb or a bosal. That said, I haven’t seen a dressage horse sticking it’s tongue out as much as my friend’s well-trained Iberian. The trainer at my barn is a Western NH trainer and just started a very well bred WB in a western saddle and a rope halter to emphasize his position training. The owner, trainer, and upper level friend came out to see how this horse has been started in the last 2 weeks and all were thrilled. I was there and knew the friend. Of course, I’ve seen this horse go, know his bloodlines and covet him!