I heard Welton Ambassador did have some frozen in the US, but if I remember rightly, it wasn’t getting the mares in foal. That might be completely wrong and if it is I apologise to those involved, but I have a little voice in the back of my head that’s saying that… Could be wrong though…
Having seen Welton Double Cracker though, and I understand he’s very fertile, I’d be inclined to try him. He’s a very athletic, scopey horse with nice breeding. Welton Adonis is a smaller more compact horse.
And all the ISHs!
There is an IDSH by Bassompierre named Coronea Loughine that I think I’m going to take a closer look at now.
I don’t know how much Grey Sovereign blood made it over the pond, but if you come across it, it’s my current top tip to build into your breeding plan. Grey Sovereign is by Nasrullah - the sire of such other good sporthorse lines as Never Bend, Bold Ruler, Dark Tiger, Nashua, Noor, Red God etc.etc.
I don’t know if you guys remember a grey mare that I bought for bobbins at the end of last year (my £50 pony), but she has a double cross to Grey Sovereign. She also turned out to be the paternal half-sister to the CCI**** horse Ice Dancer who’s at the O’Connors stable now doing Prix St Georges dressage under the tutilage of Sally O’Connor. As you can image, I was pretty chuffed to get hold of her.
Here’s a photo of her in the appauling condition I got hold of her in:
Side view
Another view
And here’s her pedigree:
Pedigree
WEG
2002
G Espoir de la Mare FRA SF What a Joy (TB) Touraine du Fresne (SF) Ukase (SF)
S Over To You IRE TB Over the River (TB) Another Miller (TB) Gala Performance (TB)
B Ypäjä Karuso SWE SWB Krocket (SWB) Just Splendid (TB) John Splendid (TB)
1998
G Ready Teddy NZ TB Brilliant Invader (TB) Double Summer (TB)
S Broadcast New NZ NZSH Time’l Tell (Appy) Royaliere (TB) Celtic Park (TB)
B SAS Monaghan IRE ISH Roman Guard (TB) Spotted Lady (ISH)
1994
G Bounce NZ TB
S Molokai USA TB Hawaii (TB) Pretty Copy (TB) Copy Chief (TB)
B Get Smart
1990
G Messiah NZ TB Aberlou (TB) Portia (TB)
S Murphy Himself IRE ISH Royal Reknown (TB) Molly (ISH) Cappagh Boy (TB)
B Pirate Lion IRE ISH Patch (TB) Stream Lion (ISH) Ideal Water (ISH)
flyinharp - I have bred two colts by Goshka Ringo and have another 2 foals due to him this season.
Not classical eventing bloodlines or type, more dressage, so would have to go to the right mare to breed an eventer. But with the new short format I am sure there will be a lot more warmblood blood coming through.
If you want to know any more about him my email is volatisstud@yahoo.co.uk
On the same theme of ‘It’s Everywhere!’, about this time last year I asked to have some reports run from the Canadian Livestock Records Corp. My goal was to draw on a different big name stallion every quarter, and write an article on the stats of that stallion’s presence in Canadian Warmblood horses’ pedigrees. I started with Furioso.
Unfortunately the service provider is not quite as electronic as I would like them to be, and the information arrived by courier in a very big box containing a large stack of papers with several names on each sheet. Call me lazy, but my abacus is rusty and I will have to save that analysis for another day. 
Let’s just say the number of names was significant.
That’s definitely the problem: there’s just no money in it (breeding for eventing). And I am not sure that that is going to change anytime soon since I get the feeling that your rank-and-file eventers take great pride in making “something” from what was basically “nothing.” The diamond-in-the-rough syndrome is actually what is most sought after when it comes to unproven horses–among the average riders, that is. The ones with major aspirations, I suspect, do show interest in some youngsters that have some breeding to back them up–but it also has to have type and stride and they still want something going u/s, not a baby.
So few (in any sport) have the time to wait and there are soooo many variables between breeding and performance, even more so for a “multi-dimensional” sport like eventing.
As a typical example: I have a full sister to Connor going right now, and I have her priced as a hunter pony (she’s top of the line, etc., etc.). Karen said there were lots of people interested in her in Florida (where I put up posters), but I just know none would pay what I want for her and what I could get, probably fairly quickly, if I sent her to a hunter barn (she’s doing courses, fancy, no changes yet though–but inclined to do them, etc.).
And so I’ve actually decided not to bring her to Karen to get her sold, but rather just to get Karen to ride her a few times–just to see if, if, if things go well enough for me to afford it, I might keep her to prove that Con isn’t the “freak” everyone calls him! (Really important if you believe in your breeding program, wouldn’t you say–and an interesting dilemma, don’t you think?)
Edited to add: And as I think about it, maybe that’s why there are so few (no, not “none,” but definitely a lot fewer) known “relatives” that compete in eventing. One relative doesn’t really sell another (or help it follow the same path). In dressage and hunter-jumpers, that certainly helps (and helps breeders, too!), but the skepticism in eventing, I think, really shuts those possibilities down sometimes.
And don’t forget that Tudor Minstrel was the producer of the Lauries Crusader line of Hanoverian fame.
This kills me - on one hand you say “why aren’t we breeding event horses” yet on the other hand you have a good event horse and choose to sell it as a hunter because it pays more.
Ah… but I breed her to be a hunter and would rather see her around the show grounds anyway! If I were an eventer and ran in those circles, I might have been more inclined to sell her at a lower price to an eventer, just so she’d stay in my circles…
B
thank you for that drumbiggle! Look at all those TBs and almost-TBs! 
as our sport changes, I am going to be very interested in how the breeding changes. Are we going to see more warmbloods to positvely influence our show jumping and dressage? or are eventers going to start getting as… for lack of a better word, “type-A” about bloodlines and registries for their tbs as the “warmbloody people?” As it is now, we take horses off the track and VERY few eventers are actually bred… bloodlines are just not as important. I think we are starting to see (and will continue to see) more importance placed on bloodlines. In fact, that was Bruces (davidsons) biggest coplaint with the young horse event series, there was no score on bloodlines!
Julia and ukstallions…since we’re on the subject of UK stallions…
Any opinions on Goshka Ringo? PT if you prefer.
Liz
Here he is again but at 5 months
Yup, gone are the days when you could drive your horsebox to the Irish sales, pick up 3-4 likely Irish /TB prospects and have them all go Advanced over the next several years.
A function of the change in the sport and the improvement generally in the competitiveness of the horses out there.
jhodkin- I think you are “right on”, with the exception of one statement…
<<" Irish breeding changed with use use of a lot of imported warmbloods. This hasn’t seemed to have worked so well and the irish are now searching out their old bloodlines again.>>
I think Irish breeding for the jumpers using warmbloods has worked very well -Cavalier Royale and all his ISH offspring are dominating the top of the sport - and in eventing as they move more to SF it may still be proven. I think it is also offering lower levels of the sport more horses that ammies can ride. A lot of the Irish TB’s are not a " general" ride.
RID/TB is still there in greater than ever before numbers, if you look at the IHR registrations, but its a sad truth that often the irish breeders in Ireland dont take advantage of the great pools of talent that are on their doorstep - some of the top Irish stallions dont really get great mares, as you said" Motherlines" are crucial, but are not considered so, as much as in other breeds.This is proliferating “nice” but only “average to good” horses IMO.
I also agree the TB as a top heavy blend in the mix will give the “ride” and “attitude” upper level riders want.
I’d love to see an incentive program implemented to support breeders in returning upper level mares to the breeding sheds, when appropriate.
my 2 c
Three Days,
My horse Rhodes Point is by Press Card, who is by Fappiano. I noticed in the COTH Steeplechase Issue there was at least one horse listed by Press Card. I found my friend a TB off the track (CANTER IL) last spring. She was shopping, and I looked at pics for her. I loved his look. Sure enough, Fappiano-bred. (I probably liked him because he was something of a smaller Rhodey.)
I was involved with the organization and execution of the 2003/2004 Event Horse Breeding Symposiums. None are planned this year, but man were they great the two years we did them!
Janet, I cannot wait to see your guy when he’s three. I am sure he’s going to be special!
Robby
The Irish studbook is ranked 8th in the world for producing international showjumpers. If you removed the effects of warmblood sires such as Cavalier Royale the studbook would drop to 11th place.
The Irish studbook is ranked 1st in the world for producing international eventers. However the #1-ranked ISH eventer is by Cavalier Royale. If you removed this horse (Ben Along Time) from the list and substituted the next best Irish horse sired not by a warmblood (Tom Quigley) the Irish studbook would remain in first place but its 181 point lead over the second place Hannoverian studbook would drop to only a 31 point lead.
Regarding foals:
In the latest period for which data are reported (foals registeed in 2003), out of 5,017 foals…
76 foals are TB X RID.
Approximately the same number of foals (1040, 1092, and 1057) are sired by TB, ISH, and warmblood sires, respectively, out of ISH mares.
Overall, 1,328 foals were sired by an ISH stallion, 1,320 by a warmblood stallion and 1,268 by a TB stallion.
Originally posted by Fred:
I too love Mahmoud. As a young girl, instead of posters of the Beatles, I had a picture of Mahmoud on my wall!
I also love Julia’s site - beautiful horses!
Ha! Adorning my walls in my college dorm were posters of Ruffian and Olga Korbut! So glad to see Mahmoud mentioned, though. I know of a lovely stallion standing in Missouri (Oakwood Farm), Diamond Bill, a son of Our Last Bill. The owner, I believe, posts here occasionally, but here’s her take on Mahmoud’s influence on the sporthorse world:
http://www.oakwoodfarmtb.com/Stallions/DiamondBill/ourlast.htm
The wonderful temperament seems to be a bonus, too.
I totally agree btilton!
methinks that the O’connors (and every other upper level rider) will begin to think "hmm… I guess we really have to be able to do dressage and showjump AND run really fast) and many many more TB/dumb-blood horses will be bred… whether thats a 1/2, 1/4, or 1/8… unless the TB breed changes quite significantly, I don’t see how they are going to keep up in the dressage and Show jumping (though, I know MANY a good tb can show jump!)
Babamist certainly proved himself as an event horse sire. His dam line goes to Mahmoud.
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