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Does any one have pictures of Chuck Grant and Shine o Bit or Bit o Shine? I have his books and will try to get someone to scan a picture and post it. He did grand prix dressage plus a lot of high school circus with both of those palominos.

In the Uk there is a lovely palomino stallion Treliver Decanter, by the World Young Horse Champion Dimaggio so some pretty impressive bloodlines for dressage! Link to stud:http://www.treliverstud.co.uk/treliver%20decanter.htm

He has excellent conformation & paces - IME the conformation of many of the palomino & cremello stallions is not quality enough & would not be accepted in a bay horse!

VERY FEW judges would even think of his color as a plus or a minus! Here in CA, we are seeing more and more colored horses showing and doing well. It is definately a competitive show environment, color is irrelevant. I show a LOUDLY colored pinto stallion - have never received any comment on my tests, although a few judges have caught me at the end of the show or on a break just to comment on how much they LIKE him. Oh, not only is he brightly colored, he is quite obviously Baroque :yes:

Having just gone through the USDF L program, I can tell you conformation and color are totally irrelevant. Movement and training are what matters.

I’ll also second the comment - made early on, there is a growing market for color. I feel, as long as movement, mind, and conformation are all good, color is a great bonus!

How very true!

Here’s an example of a Teke/WB cross (most of the photos were taken last spring, when the filly just turned 1 yr old):

http://pets.webshots.com/album/550707416TlVzcD?start=0

The dam was a 16.3hh GOV registered mare by Diamont. The sire is my cremello Akhal-Teke stallion “Kinor.” This filly will be well over 16hh and has the grace of a ballerina – she will be fantastic as either a dressage horse or eventing (both her sire & dam have a number of successful jumpers/eventing horses in their pedigree). She was good enough to earn a Silver Premium at her RPSI inspection, even though her butt was about 4 inches higher than her withers at that point (5 1/2 months old…), including a 7.5 for gaits.

Now she is filling out, yet she will still retain the refinement that makes her look so elegant when she moves.

I think the WB/Teke cross can be phenomenal – especially if you use the older-style WBs and Tekes who are bred for sport – not the real extreme, greyhound types. In the case of Kinor’s foals, because he is a cremello the color is guaranteed, but it’s the movement, conformation and attitude that makes the horse – not the color.

I can’t imagine most judges marking down a horse just because of it’s color. I think we’ve gotten beyond that at this point. I like to think so at least…

Never mind…enough color breeders on this page who beat me to it!

I love color. Maybe too much it seems, because I would rather ride the loverly horses before the plain jane ones. :)))) If they have color and are talented you get a double blessing I say.

I am a hunter/jumper rider who incorporates (bad) dressage into my flatwork, so I have very little idea of what a dressage judge would think about color. But what the heck, here’s my two cents anyways. On one of the threads in the H/J forum, someone recently posted about Denemethy and the belief that no good horse is a bad color - and wow, wouldn’t it be great if everyone applied this thought today? I do think that people are more tolerant than a few years ago, and the days of seeing a pinto enter the ring and the spectators automatically wrinkling their noses are ending. Thank God. The color bias are so STUPID. If the palomino can perform just as well as the black horse, or the bay, or the grey, what is it that makes people want to write him off? It is a disgrace that any knowledgeable judge would do so. I also think (hope!) that the vast majority would judge him fairly. If I were judging, a little flashy color would perk my interest and stick in my brain a little easier after watching the sea of chestnuts and bays (though I suppose that could work against you if you ended up riding terribly!)

P.S. I like palominos, I think they’re pretty and different and I sure as hell wouldn’t pass on one that could kick some booty. One of my favorite jumpers is a palomino, and man, what I wouldn’t give for him…

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The dam was a 16.3hh GOV registered mare by Diamont. The sire is my cremello Akhal-Teke stallion “Kinor.” [/QUOTE]

Kinor is a great mover himself! I really like him! What a color! He is just beautiful! I hope you will get a lot of great foals by him!

Wow…it is great all the replies to this thread!

I love all the pics of palominos people are posting and the great stories too!

Sunny…please post some pics of your pallie! Sounds like a truly talented boy!
And yes I am already gettign comments like “I had a pallie when I was a kid” :rolleyes::rolleyes: Trying not to roll my eyes in view though!

Just a reminder though, I am not looking to buy a pallie, have had a few emails about this! I already have my golden boy…would love to buy another (his full sister is for sale now) but my hubby would kill me!

:lol:
This is the second time I have been asked this now
“So is he a throwback?”
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Wow…how do you get a throwback to a palomino?? Never heard of it?
So I patiently then proceed to explain No he is 9th generation dilute…which means he has been pruposely bred for his colour with a warmblood breeding.
Throwback! lmao

This is the second time I have been asked this now
“So is he a throwback?”

Genetics confound most people, lol.

As a judge I don’t/wouldn’t ever mark a horse down for color. period.

Breeding has come a long way. It wasn’t so long ago when the only way most people bred for colour was by using non Warmblood/TB, and the resulting horses usually weren’t as nice as their Warmblood counterparts. That caused some people to look down on coloured horses because the quality really was lower. That’s where some of the perception of colour breeders breeding for colour and not quality came from, too. Now there are breeders breeding nice legitimate coloured Warmbloods and you no longer have to sacrifice quality to get colour. Breeding has come a long way, and this thread has had some great examples.

Feuerlilie, what is the breeding of your horse, or did you already say and I missed it? I bet he’s quite nice.

Many of the colored WBs do have some non-WB in them. There is a bit of Saddlebred back there in many of the Dutch lines (which gave us some lovely pinto and dilute color options).

Charlotte Schickendanz had some “horses of a different color” when I was looking at her farm in around 2000. Wouldn’t you know it? All of them sold before I got there!
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Who among us did not dream about the golden horse with 4 white socks after watching Roy Rogers ?

Magnum

Many of the colored WBs do have some non-WB in them. There is a bit of Saddlebred back there in many of the Dutch lines (which gave us some lovely pinto and dilute color options).

Yes, but it is fairly far back. Which just confirms what I said about how far we’ve come with breeding;). Thanks to some dedicated breeders we’ve now got true coloured Warmbloods and there is no longer such a need to go outside to introduce colour to a program. Although, to introduce colour from outside Saddlebred would be perhaps the best choice imo, although it’s usually not the most obvious.

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SALLY!

That Appy is beautiful!

I love the appy too!

Okay so this is where some people get stuck with pallies…the colour does not HAVE to be from a qhorse or arab…there were pallie tb’s as well…but they have been registered as chestnut as a palli tb is not recognised!

Also stockhorses can have pallie colourig…and stockhorses can be anything from tb onwards.:slight_smile:

I dont think a palomino colored horse would affect scoring. Paints and Palominos have become more popular in the past few years but I think Appys are still having a hard time.

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I dont think a palomino colored horse would affect scoring. Paints and Palominos have become more popular in the past few years but I think Appys are still having a hard time.[/QUOTE]

Ive never been judged unfairly on my appy. They just dont have a market :frowning: The cool thing is from hunter to dressage Im usually the only one on an appy. A great way to have a judge remember/notice you!

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Someone here once said a judge told her, ‘nice ride, too bad it’s a Palomino’. I doubt that was a decent judge. Most would realize the comment would be repeated ad nauseum for the next 72 years with their name prominently attached to it, even if it was a joke and didn’t affect the score.[/QUOTE]

The comment was “Nice ride, too bad about the color.” (so presumably a pinto or App would have been equally distasteful to that judge). Actually, it DID affect the score and very unfairly. Glowing comments and 5’s and 6’s. And palomino or not, the horse was 17.2 and looked like a WB and was a lovely mover (actually reg. QH, but about 15/16ths TB), so it was not a case where it was a well trained horse that was an average mover or not conformed to do dressage or many of the other possibilities. The rider, a pro, laughed it off. The Show organizers filed a complaint/report (whatever) against the judge. This was in the '80s, at a California show - but the judge was from the East Coast (may have been a factor?). I will agree that it probably wasn’t a decent judge!!

There is a whole line of Dutch WB’s with roaning in them and they handily offer international level gaits. Pretty bold roaning, as well. The middle aged ones are nearly white. I believe the sire has Rosso in his name?

Colored horses are WONDERFUL!

Magnum