Tori is champion at talent search finals

[lauriep]

[QUOTE=Flash44;8349540]
Wow, just wow. So the choices are -

1. to cheat via drugs, or
2. to physically abuse the horse
   to get them quiet enough to win?
   I guess I do live in a different world. Not the rarefied world that lauriep lives in, but one where I work hard, give an honest effort, and am satisified with the results. I have absolutely no respect for anyone who lives in lauriep’s world, that’s for sure.[/QUOTE]

First, you know nothing about my world. It is hardly rarefied. I work hard and do things the right way. But, because I know a lot of people, and spend enough time at some of the bigger shows, yes, those are pretty much the only options. Some horses are naturally quiet enough to need no prep, but they are few and far between. And even those wind up in know-nothing hands that won’t even give them the chance to be good. It is that ingrained in the system.

So yes, given the above options, a tube or two of PP or EquiCalm or whatever is far preferable TO ME than a dangerous injection or breaking them down on the longe line. Now, we can get into a discussion of HOW these horses are longed, and how bad it is for them, and how doing it correctly would accomplish the same thing and also teach them something. But that is another subject, and who is going to convince the trainers and teach the grooms?

[jhg140]

[QUOTE=busylady;8349921]
Trot jump? I must be losing my mind…I don’t remember a trot jump. The class I was referring to was the first round, not the handy. I believe he scored a 50 in the handy (I didn’t see that round).[/QUOTE]

Sorry, wrong round. It was still fresh in the first round, though. Clearly looky.

The horses who were in the ribbons carried plenty of pace without looking like they need to be held together. And I have not seen outrageous high scores for horses chipping, etc.

[Madeline]

[QUOTE=lauriep;8350008]
My comment about fox hunting was first, in answer to an earlier post, and then to illustrate how it then entered the show ring.[/QUOTE]

I popped your “1 in 10 goes hunting with Ace” onto the hunting forum. They called bull** on that figure. Suggested that the number was closer to 1 in 10 use Ace, and then only on horses new to hunting.

I think you’re hunting with the wrong people.

[Horseperson112]

[QUOTE=Madeline;8350049]
I popped your “1 in 10 goes hunting with Ace” onto the hunting forum. They called bull** on that figure. Suggested that the number was closer to 1 in 10 use Ace, and then only on horses new to hunting.

I think you’re hunting with the wrong people.[/QUOTE]

This is misrepresented. Here is the thread: http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?477296-Is-this-true

Note the quote from one person: “If giving a horse a small amount of a benign substance makes his day easier, and, therefore, the rider’s day easier, and, therefore, an overall positive, good experience, then by all means do it.”

[bornfreenowexpensive]

[QUOTE=Madeline;8350049]
I popped your “1 in 10 goes hunting with Ace” onto the hunting forum. They called bull** on that figure. Suggested that the number was closer to 1 in 10 use Ace, and then only on horses new to hunting.

I think you’re hunting with the wrong people.[/QUOTE]

I too know MANY foxhunters who give a cc of Ace as SOP for hunting. Doubt it has any impact on the horse but seem to make the riders more comfortable.

And these are people with their colors at big hunts.

[comingback]

I would make a mint selling these to some folks on this board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiw3vVy_eN8

[RugBug]

[QUOTE=Madeline;8350049]
I popped your “1 in 10 goes hunting with Ace” onto the hunting forum. They called bull** on that figure. Suggested that the number was closer to 1 in 10 use Ace, and then only on horses new to hunting.

I think you’re hunting with the wrong people.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horseperson112;8350106]This is misrepresented. Here is the thread: http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?477296-Is-this-true

Note the quote from one person: “If giving a horse a small amount of a benign substance makes his day easier, and, therefore, the rider’s day easier, and, therefore, an overall positive, good experience, then by all means do it.”[/QUOTE]

It’s so misrepresented it’s not even funny. But I’m starting to expect that from Madeline.

[Darkwave]

[QUOTE=lauriep;8350019]

So yes, given the above options, a tube or two of PP or EquiCalm or whatever is far preferable TO ME than a dangerous injection or breaking them down on the longe line. [/QUOTE]

To this point, it’s interesting how much more attention the Colvin infraction is getting than the Devin Ryan case. Personally I find the latter allegations, if true, much more offensive.

[bornfreenowexpensive]

[QUOTE=Darkwave;8350212]
To this point, it’s interesting how much more attention the Colvin infraction is getting than the Devin Ryan case. Personally I find the latter allegations, if true, much more offensive.[/QUOTE]

I think there is just not enough information available on the Devin Ryan case… I dislike the implication of BOTH but see more damage to the horse with injecting them with crap. Devin Ryan’s case could be an issue with reaction to bedding…or evidence of cheating (poling done off grounds or chemicals)…but I think people will not get as up in arms about it until there is more information disclosed.

[lauriep]

The steward went on record as saying he had never seen anything so bad in his life. Five horses.

[bornfreenowexpensive]

[QUOTE=lauriep;8350277]
The steward went on record as saying he had never seen anything so bad in his life. Five horses.[/QUOTE]

I agree…but not what the suspected cause was. Only reason I’m giving a very tiny benefit of doubt is I have a barn full of very sensitive legged horses, including a couple with vasculitist. Of course if they have a flair up…they would be scratched from a competition as I likely would be treating with Dex or other medication. But once more information comes out…I suspect there will be a bigger out cry.

[lauriep]

If it were one, or even two, I would agree. But not five. The odds are just too great.

[NCRider]

[QUOTE=lauriep;8350652]
If it were one, or even two, I would agree. But not five. The odds are just too great.[/QUOTE]

I find them both pretty appalling. Team Tori doesn’t get a pass from me for getting caught doing illegal and dangerous stuff to their horse just because some jumper rider got caught doing something bad to his horses too.

[Midge]

[QUOTE=Sticky Situation;8349349]

But I do think that there is a problem with the current USEF drug enforcement program when one of a horse’s connections has admitted to knowledge of the horse’s illegal drug regimen (even if they weren’t the one to actually administer it) right down to the NINE tubes of Perfect Prep, said person has told the drug testers that they are the trainer/responsible person for the horse … And the USEF is unable to even uphold the temporary suspension.
.[/QUOTE]

Except that someone else’s name, someone who in those court documents said he was the one who was in charge of the horse and said BC was not even to be allowed in the barn, is on the official entry blank as trainer.

I, for one, am heartily glad that the US court system trumps the USEF with regards to upholding suspensions, regardless o who is the guilty party and regardless of whether the drug enforcement rules are a screen door or not. Tommy Serio would probably disagree with your assessment of the sturdiness of the rules.

[Midge]

[QUOTE=Mardi;8349385]
Actually I’d rather see her talent used to start a young horse, bring him up through the ranks, and earn championships that way.[/QUOTE]

She is 17, you know. Not exactly like people pay kids to train their horses.

[Midge]

[QUOTE=busylady;8349906]
BJD, most people would probably agree with you because the current standard, the one we accept, is that the horse has to be dead quiet without a foot or ear out of place (he did seem unhappy about what I’d guess are ear plugs). That standard needs to change. Tori rode that horse beautifully.[/QUOTE]

I didn’t see the round, but the fact that Tori rode beautifully does not win the class. The horse wins the class.

[Midge]

[QUOTE=Darkwave;8350212]
To this point, it’s interesting how much more attention the Colvin infraction is getting than the Devin Ryan case. Personally I find the latter allegations, if true, much more offensive.[/QUOTE]

BC has already had her hearing and all the details are available because she filed suit against the USEF.

Normally, as as it will be int he the Ryan case, we won’t here a single detail, only the resulting penalty.

[omare]

“Actually I’d rather see her talent used to start a young horse, bring him up through the ranks, and earn championships that way.”

Why? To prove she can or because you think everyone should?

I didn’t think that was how the industry works at that level -it takes so many prospects to find the one that can truly can go to the top and that takes lots of money and a lot prospects and a lot of time by a lot of people usually.

[ynl063w]

[QUOTE=omare;8350806]
“Actually I’d rather see her talent used to start a young horse, bring him up through the ranks, and earn championships that way.”

Why? To prove she can or because you think everyone should?

I didn’t think that was how the industry works at that level -it takes so many prospects to find the one that can truly can go to the top and that takes lots of money and a lot prospects and a lot of time by a lot of people usually.[/QUOTE]

I thought Mardi’s post was really odd because it has never ever occurred to me to have any opinions on other people’s children, let alone project my wishes on them as though I had some God given right to insert myself into their family decisions. It would be like me telling my best friend whose daughter plays soccer that it’s really nice that the daughter is enjoying soccer and she’s clearly talented at it, but I myself would really rather see her play field hockey, so what is wrong with you that you’re not making her play field hockey? Except I have to assume that Mardi is not Brigid Colvin’s best friend, which makes it even more weird.

[Soaponarope]

I agree that the comment was odd. However the difference between you commenting on your friend’s daughter’s soccer career and anyone commenting, speculating, conjecturing, Monday morning quarterbacking on TC’s career is that TC holds several national titles and is a nationally renowned star athlete, a public figure. Her mother, probably unlike your hypothetical friend, is a professional trainer. Moreover, the transcripts have opened their professional lives to the public. People are not commenting on TC as the soccer player next door or as “other people’s children,” they are commenting on her as the holder of several national titles, a role model, the best hunter rider in the country.