Track Surface question

I’m in the process of reading Avalyn Hunter’s study/biography of Mr. Prospector. It was published in 2008, so time does make a difference.

She talks quite a bit about how “commercial” Mr. P was in breeding, in that he met the American market’s desired characteristics, including the propensity of his get for dirt track surfaces. Then she adds a caveat on his future value by suggesting that racing was moving toward polytrack which was more similar to turf, so dirt bred horses might be at a disadvantage.

We all know that the polytrack experiment did not last; part of the reason was injury. Could that have been because the vast mass of American horses are dirt-bred and have been so particularly intensely in the past twenty years or so–i.e the Mr. P influence? Given that no one in their right minds, especially after reading her book, could ever consider Mr. P a line noted for soundness (the number of his best runners who had to be retired because of injury at early ages is almost unbelievable) and given just how many racers have Mr. P close and in doubles, could the racing PTBs have decided to give up on polytrack because it placed their past couple of decades of breeding at a disadvantage?

She states quite baldly that Mr. P is far more influential in North and South America, the only places where the majority of racing is on dirt.

I’m now going to read her study/biography of Northern Dancer next.

I’m going to state my opinion point blank that our North American horses are prone to injuries because of management issues on multiple levels, not bloodlines. Also, the decision to remove artificial surfaces from many tracks was the result of a lot more than just injuries.

In 2008, one may have been able to assert that Mr. P’s influence was limited to North and South America. That is no longer true. Machiavellian changed that in a big way. Other sires have followed suit.

The current 3 leading sires in the UK all have Mr. P within the first 3 generations.
http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/sta…t_racing_sires

All of the Timeform’s leading flat horses have at least one cross to Mr. P, many with multiple crosses.
https://www.timeform.com/horse-racin…an_flat_horses

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Synthetic surfaces were not abandoned because of more injuries, in fact the opposite was true, as ever metric showed they were safer, at least as regards fatalities.

They were abandoned for several reasons…

  • Many horses did not perform as well on them as they did on dirt. Trainers/owners, and breeders didn’t like that as it turned the current paradigm on it’s head. There were several high profile boycotts, Baffert taking a chunk of his stable to Saratoga one summer and most notably Jess Jackson not letting Rachel Alexandra run in the BC at Santa Anita. The previous year Jackson’s and America’s wonder horse, Curlin, had finished a well beaten 3rd in the BC Classic to two European Milers, Raven’s Pass and Henrythenavigator. (Of course saying Curlin’s loss in the BCC was solely because of the Pro-Ride surface is overly simplistic, as one can make the case that his form had been declining in previous runs, but to ignore the surface wouldn’t be correct either).

  • Many bettors didn’t like them as it turned form lines on their head. Several tracks saw their handle drop as bettors took their business elsewhere.

Miswaki and Kingmambo were huge in Europe also.

King Kamehameha, a Kingmambo son, is a perennial leading sire in Japan.

Street Cry, another Mr P sireline gradson, was a huge hit in Australia. Encosta de lago and Lonhro are other successful Aussie sires that bring Mr P in on their dam’s sides.