So my get recommended i give my horse traumeel- 5 vials, IV. When I called my local store where I purchase my meds (it’s a tack and nutritional type store) I asked if they had the vials, and if I needed a script. The owner said, if I was to buy the RX yes I need a script, but I could buy the oral, that is the same, without a script and inject it… Just wondering if anyone ever used the traumeel oral liquid for injections? I put a call to get but he is out of town… Thanks!!
I would never, ever inject Traumeel to my horses.
First, it is homeopatic.
Second, there really is no need to risk giving multiple IV injections of unproven medecine.
ETA : OMG I HADN’T SEEN THAT!
but I could buy the oral, that is the same, without a script and inject it…
From the company :
Traumeel 10 oral vials
(also known as Traumeel S)
Directions: To be used according to standard homeopathic indications. Not for Injection-for oral administration only.
That would be a GREAT way to KILL your horse!
Even if Traumeel was a “thing,” in the effective drug sense, as opposed to a homeopathic preparation, it is NEVER OK to inject something that was designed to be used as an oral or topical as it’s formulated completely differently. If you heard that right, this “vet” has some strange ideas. Why not use something proven to work that they have on the truck, like Previcox or Bute?
I’d call them back and have that whole Rx clarified A BUNCH.
Occasionally it does work in reverse; Banamine IV for instance can be squirted onto the tongue if the owner is untrained in doing IV injections, and it works almost as fast. However, injecting it IM can cause a life-threatening mega-reaction/infection at the injection site.
ALWAYS, if you’re not sure, get clarification from your DVM before proceeding.
And a reminder: NO ONE who is NOT a DVM can legally prescribe drugs for your horse. :winkgrin:
I don’t agree with alibi. It is not unproven. I have no experience with horses, but my doctor, who I literally trust with my life, uses it. My husband had a bad strain to a tendon in his neck, and the doctor injected Traumeel with fabulous results. Based on that, I would not hesitate to use it on my horse if it was indicated and my vet recommended it.
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That would be a GREAT way to KILL your horse!
Even if Traumeel was a “thing,” in the effective drug sense, as opposed to a homeopathic preparation, it is NEVER OK to inject something that was designed to be used as an oral or topical as it’s formulated completely differently. If you heard that right, this “vet” has some strange ideas. Why not use something proven to work that they have on the truck, like Previcox or Bute?
I’d call them back and have that whole Rx clarified A BUNCH.
Occasionally it does work in reverse; Banamine IV for instance can be squirted onto the tongue if the owner is untrained in doing IV injections, and it works almost as fast. However, injecting it IM can cause a life-threatening mega-reaction/infection at the injection site.
ALWAYS, if you’re not sure, get clarification from your DVM before proceeding.
And a reminder: NO ONE who is NOT a DVM can legally prescribe drugs for your horse. :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
If you would have done a quick internet search you would have seen that Traumeel DOES make an injectable solution: http://www.drugs.com/drp/traumeel-injection-solution.html
Here is another instance of it’s use: http://www.nyboneandjoint.com/articles/traumeel-injection-therapy/
It always amazes me how quick people are to shoot something “different” down before they actually take the time to learn about it!
Also, I think OP meant to type “vet” in her first sentence instead of “get,” which I take to read as her vet recommended it.
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If you would have done a quick internet search you would have seen that Traumeel DOES make an injectable solution: http://www.drugs.com/drp/traumeel-injection-solution.html[/QUOTE]
THe OP said :
The owner said, if I was to buy the RX yes I need a script, but I could buy the oral, that is the same, without a script and inject it.
Homeopathy is a pseudoscience—a belief that is incorrectly presented as scientific—and is ineffective for treating any condition. There are no well-designed, double-blind, peer reviewed, head-to-head trials that have established homeopathy as valid treatment. You can believe it works (placebo effect) but so far, that’s about it.
Yes, you are right, I do see that now about wanting to inject the oral. Definitely a no-no to use any drug in a way it is not labeled to be used. However, it is a valid treatment when administered properly and definitely NOT a placebo. It’s an integral part of my treatment as I’ve been recovering from tendon surgery this summer.
Nobody ever said placebo effect didn’t “work.” The mind is a groovy thing. But if Traumeel or any other homeopathic product “worked” for you, it was power of suggestion (placebo) and not the substance itself. Because there ain’t no “there” there. The “active ingredient” in all that stuff is, by definition, not present. :winkgrin:
The active ingredient is Arnica, and it DOES work.
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The active ingredient is Arnica, and it DOES work.[/QUOTE]
If that is what you want to believe.
You do understand that the whole theory of Homeopathy is based on the ‘‘water memory’’ concept? That the main procedure is ‘‘dilution’’, which means there is absolutely nothing left (a few molecules) of the original product?
Here is an interesting read about Traumeel and its components
To each their own.
It worked for ME. And the many, many people i know, including medical professionals, athletes, and others whom it works for to. It is not in our heads, and just because a study hasn’t come out to PROVE it works doesn’t mean anything. Studies come out every day; eggs are bad, eggs are good, drink wine, don’t drink wine (or are we back to drinking it again, I can’t keep track). I judge for myself what works, and I have 100% certainty that the active ingredient in Traumeel, Arnica, is extremely effective for use on areas of inflammation, sore muscles and strained tendons. I don’t care how many blog posts you show me denying it, I know it works because I HAVE EXPERIENCED IT. And no, it is not in my head, it is on the area I apply it to 
Traumeel actually contains measurable amounts of the active ingredients, IIRC. The potency of most of them is 2X, or 1:100.
I would be concerned about the sterility of an injectable product that has not been cleared by the FDA. Bad things, like bacterial endocarditis/heart infection, happen if you inject the wrong bacteria into your veins.
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I would be concerned about the sterility of an injectable product that has not been cleared by the FDA. Bad things, like bacterial endocarditis/heart infection, happen if you inject the wrong bacteria into your veins.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I’m wondering if the vet meant IM instead of IV?
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It is not the Vet, it is the Owner of the Tack/Nutritional store that advised the OP to inject oral Traumeel… :eek::no:
So unless the OP heard it wrong (maybe the StoreOwner said she could use the Oral - orally?), this StoreOwner is really, really in the wrong.
Traumeel does work. I need to find the oral solution to use for horses…I often wondered how many pills a horse would need.
I take it, my dogs take it, have a cat currently on it. I work in a large specialty clinic and we use it like crazy after surgeries, for arthritis, etc.
That said, I would only use them as indicated.
Thanks for the replies- first, not to worry, I have NO intentions of doing a thing until talking to the vet- however after talking to the owner of place I was getting it from, it had me curious! As another poster wrote, banamine injectable can be given in mouth, so I was curious if this was something of ‘known’ practice with traumeel I wasn’t aware of! And the reason it was recommended was because older horse has a show, and while he can get 1 g of bute, I just want him to be as comfortable as possible- he has arthritis and some old suspensory stuff. It was just to give the horse a possible ‘help out’ - he is 100% sound ect. On adequan ect- I think that covers some questions others had? Anyhow- thanks, and will wait to talk to the vet, before buying any. Btw, said horse had miso therapy to neck in past, and it was helpful. I believe that has traumeel in it? Along with some other meds…
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