Tribal Rule, know anything about him?

[beaujolais]

I’ve been Tribal Rule in a few pedigrees lately. He seemed to have produced some nice race horses and did not stand for a large fee, either.

Seems he died two years ago, though. :no:

http://www.drf.com/news/tribal-rule-leading-california-sire-dies-18

[Pronzini]

He was a California sire by Storm Cat who was freaky fast and owned and well supported by Marty Wygod. IME he could get you the big horse but he could also be inconsistent probably because of the non Wygod California mares he was bred to. His fee was dictated by his sales which, like Lucky Pulpit, were heavily influenced by the mares. Even though he stood for a very affordable $5000- 6500, it was not unusual to go to the local sales and be able to pick up Tribal Rule yearlings for less than $10k. It was also not unheard to see them win graded stakes.

[Shammy_Davis]

[QUOTE=sonomacounty;8618479]
I’ve been Tribal Rule in a few pedigrees lately. He seemed to have produced some nice race horses and did not stand for a large fee, either.

Seems he died two years ago, though. :no:

http://www.drf.com/news/tribal-rule-leading-california-sire-dies-18[/QUOTE]

If you are interested you can follow his currently racing progeny.

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/briswatch.cgi/public/BallenaVistaFarm/TRIBAL+RULE/1996/summary.html

[beaujolais]

Thanks!

Shammy: Thanks! Do I need a paid Brisnet account to do that?

Pronz: Thank you for the wonderful insight and analysis. I was trying to figure out why what seemed to be a fairly nice sire stood for a fairly low fee!

[Shammy_Davis]

I used to be a member but not now. I Googled “tribal rule horse” and the link came up in the list. No charge. I expect you can check it every so often in that manner.

TR was apparently a big surprise as a stallion considering his race record.

[Pronzini]

Tribal Rule was incredibly well supported by River Edge which did a lot of the heavy lifting by breeding really serious mares and a lot of them to him early. When Georgie Boy came out in his first crop, they did another smart thing and kept the stud fee down and made it up in volume. I think they realized that there is no stomach in California for the five figure stallion unless you have Unusual Heat and severely restrict the book. I’d love to know how many outside mares are going to Square Eddie and even Lucky Pulpit is back down to $7500 which is probably the top you can reasonably expect to get here.

Because of his attractive price, most California breeders took a swing at Tribal Rule including yours truly. At lot of us compared notes and we either got the best horse we ever bred or one of the least. I personally got a pony sized filly that I gave away and then she won 7 races running as cheap as possible. While I never went back, my partners did and got a graded stakes horse–which is pretty special in anyone’s book.

[beaujolais]

Thanks Shammy. Superb, will do.

Pronzini: OK, I get it now. Thanks again for the insightful and knowledgeable explanation. I kept seeing Tribal Rule’s name attached to some decent and better than decent race horses, read a bit about him, saw the stud fee and found something intriguing yet a bit of a puzzle. You explained the puzzle - thanks.

Tribal Rule is the sire of Grumpy Small Mouth, a rather interesting horse, that I followed when he was racing.

I’m just sorry you drew the “one of the least” cards instead of the “best horse we ever bred” card! :o

[summerly]

We got lucky and landed a nice Tribal Rule that was as honest as the day is long! He was a stake winner at Del Mar, winning over $360k for us and brought his game face every single race! He far exceeded our expectations and his pedigree, rarely not picking up a check. He paid for new cars, other horses, and multiple vacations, and while this was all good he was superbly managed, trained and well looked after and very much loved by myself and my husband, his trainer. He retired sound but with some little issues, which could have turned into big issues with his try and gumption so he is now retired on our farm. He is fat, happy and still adored by myself, my husband, our kids, and his former groom, and the receiver of many carrots and lots of love to this day! He will have a forever home with us till he crosses the bridge, and that will be a hard day for this family! I would take another Tribal Rule any day, we have a 3 yr old now that looks promising…cross your fingers!

[beaujolais]

How wonderful, Summerly! He is beautiful! :yes: And, very fortunate to have such great owners/trainer. Thanks so much for posting and the photos. Best wishes with your 3 year old!