I’m looking at a mare and she’s in foal to a stallion I know nothing about. Don’t know his name, but he’s 1/2 arab, 3/8 tb 1/8 morgan and is a pinto. I believe he’s in Vermont or vicinity. Supposedly has sired a number of endurance horses that have been quite successful.
Anyone know this guy? Any info would be appreciated.
Also, the mare is a TB, so the foal will be almost 3/4 TB. Is there a market for the foal in the endurance world.
TIA!!!
the more arab the better in endurance horses (in general). I havne’t heard of any pintos. Until you got to the morgan and pinto (where did he get the pinto from?)
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You’d do better posting that on Arabian Breeders Network
Can you find out any names of the offspring? You can then search on aerc.org and see how successful those horses are in Endurance, how much they have competed, at what distances, and so on.
Also, since I don’t know how familiar you are with the sport, I wanted to mention that true Endurance events run 50 miles or longer. So when someone tells you that a horse is successful in Endurance, you may want to follow up and ask whether they mean the actual discipline (as regulated by the AERC in the US, and the FEI internationally) or competitive trail (CTR) or simply long trail rides. Healthy horses of all breeds should be able to do the latter two if well-conditioned, but to be competitive in Endurance, purebred Arabians still dominate because of their physical advantages suitable for long distances. There are many exceptions, of course, and your foal may be one of them one day. Good luck!
Any chance it is Sparker Royalty? Not sure if he is even alive. If he is, he’s getting pretty old!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sparker+royalty
I’d be willing to bet it might be one of his sons.
Edited to add: Here is one of his sons, though they say Sparker was 7/8 Morgan which I don’t believe was at all true:
I guess it would depend on whether he is “a sire of 1/2 Arabian endurance horses” (meaning he is not Arabian but is often bred to Arabian mares producing 1/2 Arabian endurance horses) or “a 1/2 Arabian sire of endurance horses” (meaning he is 1/2 Arabian himself).
A little clarification as I apparently can’t read for comprehension!
The stallion is 1/2 arab, 3/8 morgan, 1/8 pinto. HIS sire has some “very successful endurance” offspring.
So, he has not TB in him. The mare is full TB.
I don’t have any interest in the foal, but the mare is very nicely bred for eventing/jumping. Unfortunately, she’s almost 2000 miles from me and leaving her there to foal and shipping semen to her won’t work.
Ugg, just don’t know what to do.
ooo hitch…I bet Arizona Flyhawk is the sire. All the pieces fit.
So, endurance folks…how hard do you think it would be to sell a foal? Do endurance people buy foals or wait until they’re started.
TIA!
The ones I knew (albeit a long time ago) would only buy horses broke and ready to start conditioning unless perhaps they were breeding their own favorite mares or something.
You don’t know the stallion’s name?? I think he’d (foal) probably be worth about the same as any part this and part that horse right now as in not a whole lot. More if he is colored. I think it will just depend on what the foal looks like when it comes out. I would base my decision on the mare only with the foal a hopeful bonus (vs. a detriment).
IF the mare is in foal to a Sparker Royalty son, and IF the mare passes on some good conformation (in other words, doesn’t screw up a good line), then I think the foal would be pretty marketable. Foal her out and raise the foal just like you would any “sport horse” prospect.
If you don’t want to deal with the foal, then pass on the mare.
Good luck!
p.s. Some clarification on Sparker. He is/was (don’t know if he is still alive) a paint, by a Morgan stallion. The color came from his dam line so I seriously doubt it was pure TB as the pedigree above wants to make you believe. Sparker’s sire, Equinox Royalty, was one tough horse and won the GMHA 100 miler some crazy number of times. He was the sire of my (now former) Morgan gelding and I tell you that horse had no bottom. As tough as they come, and that carried through to his sons.
Personally, I think the only marketable foals (for endurance) are those that are bred for the sport, by reputable endurance breeders.
A half-TB/morgan/arab/whatever foal will most likely not sell to an endurance rider. Might be different in other disciplines, but I sure wouldn’t look at one and think it was a good choice, but that’s just me. I like to get them older so I at least know what I’m dealing with. But again, that’s just me :winkgrin:
Hitch…thanks so much for all the info about those bloodlines. You’re my hero for the day! I’m 90% sure that Arizona is the stallion she’s in foal to.
And now I think there’s some interesting possibilities for the foal. ah Decisions, decisions.
Thanks for everyone’s input.
While the foal may not appeal to the endurance crowd, if it is athletic and intelligent there are a number of avenues to choose from where breed isn’t necessarily a “make it or break it” consideration, like competitive driving or eventing.
I’ve been trying to find on line articles about Equinox Royalty but am having no luck. Sorry!
not many endurance riders that I know buy foals. I know some breeders who breed for endurance primarliy, but they usually have to hang onto the youngstock until 3+ years or so, so I don’t think the foal would be very marketable, until older and started.
I 've bred nothing but endurance horses for 20 odd years, - as a rule - I only tend to sell weanlings to riders who are looking for a replacement (in the wings) horse to take over from an existing horse they own that I’ve probably bred and sold them years back.
Usually ime - most my horses go in their 3rd/4th year - and have been started and have some miles on them as a lot of endurance riders just don’t have the time to want to mess around with a baby for 3 years, waiting for it to grow up.
If you are specifically thinking of marketing the foal as an endurance prospect only…be prepared to sit on it for awhile.
I agree that a “foal” isn’t as marketable as an older horse. I said as much in a previous post but I didn’t make it clear 
Here’s a couple pictures of Equinox Royalty. Very nice old type Morgan.
As a foal:
http://www.morganhorse.com/about_the_morgan/photo_archive/equinox_royalty
He’s about half way down on this page:
I had an endurance rider wanting to buy my 6 month old colt as an endurance prospect. I’m keeping him as a prospect myself, but she made me an offer. I bought him the day he was born. Personally I love to raise babies so I know every experience they’ve had and how they’ve been raised. I’m raising an Arab filly who is 2 1/2 years old. Bought her at 11 months old. I raised my coming 9 year old mare from 10 months old. But I agree with others that most people don’t want to do this. They like to buy made horses. I have never been one to want a made horse. I love doing everyting myself from the first trailer loading experience to the first time under saddle and everything in between. But I do think that tends to be the exception and not the rule.
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Here’s a couple pictures of Equinox Royalty. Very nice old type Morgan.
As a foal:
http://www.morganhorse.com/about_the_morgan/photo_archive/equinox_royalty
He’s about half way down on this page:
http://www.blythewoodfarm.com/ancestorspage2.html[/QUOTE]
I wish I could find the photo I had of him trotting along the trail. He had a huge stride with no wasted movement. Some people equate “Morgan” with the knee-popping park movement, but Royalty moved OUT - not up. He lived to be 31 and was the king of all he saw. Truly the horse of a lifetime for his owner.
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