Just saw on EuroDressage that Australia has named its dressage team for London:
Congrats to the old man! Guess he does produce GP horses after all! 
Interesting that they’re both out of jump-bred mares. In fact, all three are pretty heavily jumper bred, especially when you take into account that SH was originally supposed to be a jumper.
In the case of the first horse mentioned, I would follow him due to his Argentinus dam. Have had two Sandro Hit/(Rubinstein)/Argentinus geldings that are schooling the movements needed for GP. Also have a nice Johnson/Argentinus mare that shows talent for the upper levels.
If the horse has Argentinus as a dam sire, I always take a look. Super ridable and with the right stallion, very fancy.
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In the case of the first horse mentioned, I would follow him due to his Argentinus dam. Have had two Sandro Hit/(Rubinstein)/Argentinus geldings that are schooling the movements needed for GP. Also have a nice Johnson/Argentinus mare that shows talent for the upper levels.
If the horse has Argentinus as a dam sire, I always take a look. Super ridable and with the right stallion, very fancy.[/QUOTE]
Nancy, I totally agree. I would LOVE to have an Argentinus mare for dressage breeding. 
And now I see on Dressage-news.com that Hayley Beresford and Belissimo NRW were skipped over by the selectors, despite the fact that they were the only Australian pair to compete in both the Grand Prix and Olympic Grand Prix Special at both observation trials. Interesting revelation…I wonder what is up with that? Were their scores not up to par?
I am very surprised. It looks as if Hayley’s average score was higher than 2 of the others … A mystery.
The third horse listed there - Sancette - was he ever in the U.S. ? His name sounds familiar.
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In the case of the first horse mentioned, I would follow him due to his Argentinus dam… If the horse has Argentinus as a dam sire, I always take a look. Super ridable and with the right stallion, very fancy.[/QUOTE]
Interesting that they’re both out of jump-bred mares.
I also would lean towards the damline being the reason these horses are successful at the top.
I was also very suprised that Hayley and Belissimo M were not chosen. They had the second highest average and Hayley is such a seasoned rider. Do you think the selectors passed him over because he is a stallion?
interesting, truly.
why would a nation like australia dispense their only anywhere-near-safe-70-percent horse?
while eurodressage only mentions “right of appeal” http://www.eurodressage.com/equestrian/2012/06/13/australian-team-selected-2012-olympic-games, the german magazin reiterrevue states that s.o. in fact did make use of it:
http://www.reiterrevue.de/Australien-nominiert-drei-Dressurpaare-fuer-Olympia-Einspruch-eingelegt-860354.html
the nomination might indicate relationship management&money ruling over sport&achievements.
maybe mrs. beresford is not part of the fancy club?
end of may sandro boy scored respectable 70+ percent in GPspecial in france.
good for him.
sustained trackrecord, however, looks different:
braunschweig (march 2012)
GP freestyle only (no GPspecial at all)
kristy oatly
clive
7 o/o 9
http://eventcontent.hippoonline.de/654/docs/21erg.pdf
hagen april 2012 intl CDI:
GP freestyle only (no GPspecial at all)
Lyndal Oatley
AUSTRALIA Sandro Boy
13th o/o 15 comps
mannheim CDI may2012
GP
11. Belissimo NRW - Beresford, Hayley - 68.872 % (Asustralia)
13. Ronan - Oatley, Kristy - 68.553 % (Australia)
19. Sancette - Hanna, Mary - 66.362 % (Australia)
GP special
9. Belissimo NRW - Beresford, Hayley - 69.333 % (Australia)
13. Sandro Boy - Oatley, Lyndal - 66.889 % (Australia)
14. Ronan - Oatley, Kristy - 66.156 % (Australia)
http://www.eurodressage.com/equestrian/2012/05/05/scores-2012-cdi-mannheim
haftenkamp 25may2012 (taken from the belissimo webside):
“Belissimo M. was exceedingly successful at the dress tournaments at Haftenkamp on the 19th and 20th of May 2012. In the Grand Prix as well as in the Grand Prix Special, he achieved results equaling or surpassing 70% and emerged as the winner in both of these tests. The next and latest tournaments for his Olympics qualification are due to take place from the 1st to the 3 rdof June at Compiegne in France.”
you can read a lot into all of this. maybe the trip to france was a necessitiy in order to finally reach the 70-percent for at least one of them?
who knows?
after all, sandro boy even placed ahead of belissimo for the first time.
and no, i am not favouring belissimo going to london.
the boy has proven his priceless qualities as a breeding stallion like no other stallion. leave him at home, stressless, making breeders happy with what he does best:
producing foals.
why bother throwing one of the world’s best breeding stallions into an olympic circus for reasosn of what - ego? marketing? - where the best he can achieve is being cannon food for the “real” competitors, anyway.
belissimo is a nice&decent 70% horse which is fine.
actually, that already qualifies him for the primer league of canon food beyond the 60s.
however, the real war is won in a different league beyond 80% and everybody is aware of it.
we have most likely seen a higher density of world class dressage at the recent national dutch and german championships.
olympics are about money&power in the first place, not necessarily about sport.
the above matter suggests that this is even the case down under.
so why bother?
leave belissimo at home and let the others battle.
Funny I did post this a while ago but it got lost between typing and posting and me not bothering again but are stallions Sandro Boy and Belissimo M Australian owned I don’t think so. Especially in the case of Belissimo M and I feel very sorry for Haley as her main horse died in a nasty accident Belissimo M is a bit of ring in when compared to other Aussie competitors whether better or not.
fannie mae yes it appears to me that many stallions not taken up in their own countries teams are filtering down to say Australia’s. I think it is a marketing thing …
valid question.
but he has obviously already changed co-ownership in nov2012 to make sure he can be nominated for australia:
https://data.fei.org/Horse/Detail.aspx?p=F54F116CBE90F04F3E137FE99DAC8CD4
Honestly no idea but wasn’t change over before this i.e. Nov11 I was under the impression it was earlier like June 2011. Again just my opinion & really no idea but from reading the Totalis threads (a bit sad). And actually the same people still appear to own B M just added Haley’s name to it in Nov11
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The third horse listed there - Sancette - was he ever in the U.S. ? His name sounds familiar.[/QUOTE]
Yes -
SANCETTE (4925643)
Foal Date: 6/19/2001
Breed: HANOVERIAN
Color: Bay Sex: G
Sire: SANDRO HIT
Dam: CASCADE 331310810797
Membership Type: Life
Owner Information: GWEN BLAKE - SOLD
Breeder: DIETRICH MEYER
The pedigree in HorseTelex confirms the dam - http://www.horsetelex.com//horses/pedigree/1480409 .
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Honestly no idea but wasn’t change over before this i.e. Nov11 I was under the impression it was earlier like June 2011. Again just my opinion & really no idea but from reading the Totalis threads (a bit sad). And actually the same people still appear to own B M just added Haley’s name to it in Nov11[/QUOTE]
If the partnership occurred before Nov. 2011, the change wasn’t made official with FEI until then. And yes, the same German-registered company still owns him (Zucht-u.Sportpferde Schmidt GmbH), but now in co-ownership with Haley. I would suspect given the timing of the record change with FEI, it was done specifically so she could qualify the horse for the Australian Olympic team.
mmm like as already stated poor Haley lost her main horse to a car accident and actually I personally would have loved to see Aust win something in dressage and BM would have done it but this is why it won’t happen. BM is a very good if not great horse.
Mary Hanna bought Sancette from Steffen Peters in 2010.
I was quite annoyed that Hayley didn’t make the team. The reality for Australian dressage is that every four years certain people pop up and end up on the team despite not living in the country and not travelling back here to add to education. I noted that there are two Sandro Hit direct offspring in our team. I don’t particularly like either of them! I have seen Sancette in the flesh under Steffen and also Mary and wow the horse went better for his previous owner, however Mary has truly put in the hard yards and you can’t begrudge her her place on the team.
It’s a shame that in the space of a year two of Australia’s best Olympic chances died- Victory Salute and Hayley’s Reli- and Jaybee Alabaster injured himself in time to be ruled out of selection.
Hayley is a beautiful rider, and very hard worker so it’s a shame she’s been looked over. It is getting talked about a lot over here.
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