wow
I’ll just throw another breed into the mix. I ride a former show ASB nearly 17H.
He had seven months of SS training. I go horse camping with him now. He will stand tied to a trailer, a post, high line etc. I do prefer a portable corral but sometimes it’s not an option. Now if I put on 20 miles a day, this horse is grateful to just stand with hay and water. I don’t believe poor Echo thinks he’s being abused. Maybe on that last 5 miles, but not standing tied with food and water.:yes:
Ground tying means to stand without moving a single foot, with their head up.
Ground tying means for the horse to stand by itself without moving a single foot, with their head up.
This comes in very handy when Laddie knocks the top rail off the jump…you can dismount…replace the rail…to a higher height to make the slug work a little more… Laddie should stand not move or wonder back to the barn.
This also is very help if for some reason you and he fall… he gets up and does not move…believe me it saved my daughter life when her horse fell with her hanging her right foot in the strup. Her horse regained it footing and stood still.
We have taught ground tying as a requirement for some of the National Trail Classes… often (well you used in the old days) you are required to dismount and walk off and leave good Laddie standing there amd loose points if he moves
PoliticallyIncorrect what I meant is what other names do you use on this bb. When I put you on my ignore list I want to be sure to get all of you.
Yes you totally come across as bitter. Talking about money and carrot ladies and buying levels etc etc. It sounds bitter to me.
The person in question comes across as anything but cheap. I assert she will do anything for her horse’s welfare and takes the horse ownership/rider/horseperson thing very seriously. While I may not agree with her tying beliefs, I cannot stand by and let you attack her so unfairly.
Logic-you ought to try that yourself. Equating people spending 25 years and not getting out of 3rd level with a poor level of horsemanship is absurb. You can be a fabulous horseperson and not ride above 1st level. A rider and a horseperson are not the same thing. My mother for example is an excellent horseperson with 55 plus years experience. Can diagnose stuff better than most vets. Has trained 100s of foals to lead and tie, can get any horse to load willingly in a trailer etc etc but is not a great rider.
If your comments were not meant to hurt this woman or if you are not ashamed of how you feel, why would you sign on under a new name?
I guess you are a bitter coward. I hope at least your horses respect you.
Ignore list
Oh thats easy just ignore anyone with any common sense and you should be good to go.
Though I do agree with being a horseperson and a rider not always being one and the same.
The person I “attacked” parades around here like she knows something and always has an opinion. I simply gave her mine.
Can you argue with any of what I said as not true?
A jury would find her guilty I am sure.
No alter egos here. Just me…Waiting for UDBB to go back up…
Nice to meet ya…
clanter, please tell me how you taught Laddie to ground tie? I like that idea the best, but haven’t figured out how to train it. Hope your daughter recovered from the scary fall/being hung up is no fun whatsoever.
What’s interesting is that many horses at traditional riding schools like von N were tied in a standing stalls (they can still lay down), and worked for a living as well.
The person whose lost two horses mentioned the price tag, so why is it “uncool” to reference that? She brought it up when relaying the story, I think the quote was “out $70,000”. That poster thought it was a key point of her story, so if someone is discussing her story, then why not include that point in the discussion.
I don’t know you, I don’t know Politically Incorrect, I don’t know the OP or the person who lost two horses because they couldn’t stand quietly tied. But from where I’m sitting Politically Incorrect does not come across as bitter or mean or trying to hurt anyone. To me, she/he just sounds annoyed and, like the name says, not wanting to be all politically correct about it.
And notice that from my point of view, the problem with the horses wasn’t that tying is abusive, but that they couldn’t stand quietly. Whether it was from lack of training or an inappropriate environment or whatever, I really find the comments like “my horse is an athlete and shouldn’t be tied” to be very very annoying.
As far as the carrot ladies and people who buy up a level, you have to admit, these people DO exist. There are people who buy fancy expensive horses they cannot handle just so they can say they ride X level, while it’s actually their trainer doing all the riding. And there are people who hardly ride but come out and do hours of in-hand work with their horses, and yet the horses have no ground manners and are borderline dangerous to work with, as in rearing and striking at the barn help who do turn out and stalls.
There are horsemen, there are riders and there are posers in every discipline. The carrot ladies and level buyers are the posers of the dressage world (some level buyers could be considered “riders” rather than posers, if they actually ride their own horse. Not saying that any particular poster on this board is one or the other or neither. Just that these people do exist and someone commenting on them does not mean that person is bitter or mean or evil.
I don’t know why I’m posting here, this is the stupidest thread I’ve read in ages, and I’m just making it one post longer. It really seems the board is getting nuttier every day.
WOW- here is sure one foul apple that is taking advantage of the UDBB being down and piping his mediocre advice…if you know me PI- which is easy to do- step up to the plate- otherwise shut up…I don’t need to deal with another cowboy/trail expert that thinks they know dressage- there are plenty around here and I am quite familiar with the type… wait for your beloved Suzy to be back to life (I hear it’s thursday) and enlighten the all knowing UDBB folks with your undoubtedly masterful horsemanship…bless ya and go in peace…
Otherwise- tell us more about your great knowledge- especially if you live in some desolate quiet place - where it’s easy to tie a horse all day- because other than an occasional fly- there is nothing to buzz around…LOL!
I regret having mentioned my plight- because I should have known that some of YOUR kind would be seeing this as a chance to bask in my misfortune…well…thank you for your offer- I am not a carrot lady- I don’t especially appreciate your advice- and I guess- in summary- you showed your "best and largest " part to all of us…now we know…
and off you go!
Good Riddance…
Ok Sabine…You wanna dance? Lets have some fun…
Boy if your reply didnt just make my case I dont know what will.
Did you not read my post? I ride my Horses right thru Downtown, down the highway and thru the drive thru for food.
OH you will love this. There are times when we tie off to a tree branch and go inside to eat too! To be fair to you I do sit by the window to keep an eye on them especially if the tree is near the drive thru. Not because my horses are idiots, but because people are.
You want to see my ponies??
Your probably gonna run for cover here, but lets have a little contest. You post pictures of your ponies and I will post pics of mine. Then lets see who’s horses are more trusting, better trained and for that matter better dressage horses…
Let everyone else vote…?
What do ya say? Do you have the courage of your convictions or are you just another carrot lady?
The only thing foul here is someone giving advice who doesnt know anything themselves.
you can’t post pictures on COTH! too bad for you AND me…now go back to your cowboy town and ride thru the drive by at McDonalds…LOL!
best wishes…you 've pulled my chain long enough- I know and you know…LOL!
I lurk on the Dressage board because quite frankly you people are scary. My dressage skills are crap, but I like learning all I can because it does help my horse.
As far as tying goes. I’m not a big fan of tying for long periods of time. That is a personal choice. I’d much rather let a horse I’m breaking have time outs in a pen, but then I am fortunate to have one. We get some right head cases that haven’t been touched for the first 3 or 4 years. Possibly they might have had their feet done once or twice and the same with worming. If we were to tie one of these guys straight off the bat, I don’t think it would be pretty. I do however tie all my youngsters that have our trust to the back of the stables while being brushed. But that’s it. I have never had any problems with horses going long distances in a trailer either. Like on the ferry across the Irish Sea to England for a sale.
Diffrent disciplines need diffrent things. Endurance, trail riding, camping overnight, working cattle, they need horses that will tie for long peirods and that’s great. I don’t see where my youngsters will need that so I don’t teach it just in case. I just disagree a bit with horses tied all day with no water or possibly out of the hot sun. And really they can’t get annoying flys very well either and I think that’s where it borders on cruel for me.
And of course their are always going to be people that can afford horses which probably don’t suit, but that’s life. No point in crying about them because they will always exist. I always try to be happy with what I have and God knows he will never be anyone’s perfect horse, but then I never had my own horses until I was 32 so to me my guy is perfect. Now if we could just get a nice shoulder in I’d be happy.
Terri
I think much of this tying issue stems from how a young horse was initially trained. If you’ve bought a horse that was never trained to tie well or deal with unusual stimuli while tied, you may well have your work cut out for you - and I can sympathize with those that don’t want to endanger their horse or loose their investment by putting their horses in a situation where they may hurt themselves or panic. However, I am a big fan of horses that tie to trailers, cross ties, grooming stalls, hot walkers, wash racks and those that ground tie. It’s what I expect, makes life a whole lot easier, and is what I personally strive for.
Equilibrium
Sabine-
We can put our pics on Putfile.com
I knew you would run for cover…
By the way the city I live in has a population of over 1 million.
Now either put up or shut up.
Equilibrium-I didnt get mine till I was 25. Though I have loved horses my entire life. As far as shoulder in what helped me was Racinet’s explanation of how to accomplish a proper shoulder in. Get away fromt he wall or border. Ride a large circle, to make the bend part easy, then ask for a few or one step laterally to the outside while keeping the bend. Then just add more steps.
Remember what the masters wrote…a horse doesnt learn shoulder in or any movement for that matter. He learns to listen to your aids, and move away from pressure. Never control the horse, simply control the direction and amount of energy being expended. Your horse will go thru the open door. All you have to do is open it, and explain to him you want him to go thru it…
Dressage is the ultimate discipline, because…the horse should be able to do everything the other disciplines can do and more.
This is why Dressage training helps any horse in any discipline.
I just disagree a bit with horses tied all day with no water or possibly out of the hot sun.
I disagree with that as well.
tie ing to a tree – soem still do it not the done thing for me as no escape route especially in not tied to a bit of baling tiwne round the tree–
have seen horses long ago treated like this they pull and turn and pull then break there necks-- so i personally dont –
tie ing a horse to teach it manner correctly is to give to the horse /pony if it doesnt tie then teach it to-- i always use a lunge line threaded thorugh the tie up bit or whatever-- and groom the horse as he moves i move-- graudually giving him the confidence of nothing to be afriad off–
then once realsie that he doesnt have to pull back in fear tie hi to where ever i like – but always baling twine - attached to the ring or hitching rail or ring in horse box both inside or out – i have never just attached a horse to ring itslef as no escape route and horse can freighten itself by trying or more likely injure or died from it…
once leart they cant pull back and ite nicely then they go out in said horse box with ababysitter noramlly raspberry as shes calm and quiet and like to travel peciefully she does inside the trialer what icant --if they muck about she will nip as shes an alpha pony — and since i cant travel in back i relay on her to do her job-- and she does so easily – i normally go up indoor school as short trip al of 10mins work the horse in the arena then come back i do a couple times once hes happy then i do it on his own – once happy then i go further a filed and start shows again norally with baabysitter to gain conifdence and if ih ave to tie up to triler wont panic cuase she doesnt-- as horses will copy – in time i then take said horse a lone to things making sure hes comfy and has plenty to eat-- touch wood i have yet to have a bad horse from tied to atrailer or otherwise – pateince is a virtue and take each small step to gain conifdence for the horse—
to teach a horse to tie is basic manners from that you can lead and do in hand stuff as you in control – if not done then thats lack of edcucation by who taught said horse
PoliticallyIncorrect you sound like the unsafe one- sort of like a combination of Urban Cowboy and the Man From Snowy River. How safe can it be to tie your horse to a tree at Burger King in a city of 1 mil? Why do you ride your horse through the city and to drive thrus? Do you like the attention or not own a car? Trailrides cool, but riding all over a slippery pavement jungle full of people who are not horse savy, bad drivers etc seems a little silly to me.
I guess if you didn’t get a horse until you were 25, maybe you feel you missed out on your childhood with horses. When I was a little kid, we used to take off on our ponies and ride to 7-11 or A&W. These were old mellow ponies and we were stupid kids. I would never do that as a wise adult with a fancy dressage horse.
What kind of horse do you have? I think all horses can learn to tie and behave themselves, but there is some truth to certain breeds being more sensitive and likely to hurt themselves in certain situations. I have been riding since before I could walk and I know there is a big difference between the average QH and the average warmblood suitable for FEI. There is some truth in Sabine’s assertion that a high level dressage horse is a different beast. I make this assertion because we have raised both QHs and warmbloods. As youngsters the warmbloods are much more likely to injure themselves doing something stupid like trying to jump the fence. They are hotter animals and harder to train to tie, trailer etc. It can of course be done and done well, but it is not as easy or as safe to work with. They are super alert and responsive and I think the chance of getting them bombproof to the degree that you can safely tie them to a tree in a fastfood parking lot in a major city is unlikely. I have ridden a few QHs that I might (if I had too much free time) ride down to the drive through, but I would not do that on my big animated forward thinking, super responsive hot 17 hand Dutch mare. I would tie her at a show (attended) or in the barn or even on a trail but not in to a tree in a parking lot full of cars and the hazards of the city.
If you really do this stuff, I hope you have a good helmet and good luck not to kill yourself or someone else. If something bad were to happen, I would find you quite culpable indeed.
i have a warmblood and a tb and sstandred bred and warmblood x
and then welshys a b c d and a connie – all tie up to a trialer at a show with no avail all behave – someitme iam on my own i have to go to secs tent to get me no or go to loo or get something to eat or take one horse in then the ohter – as long as they safe and safely tied i have never had a problem ever
And WHY is a pony any different than a dressage horse? I’d trust my dressage horse (GP, thank you, so don’t try to tell me he’s not fancy) much farther than I’d trust the little hunter pony I used to ride. I’m sure she’s careful riding on pavement. Just because your horse isn’t trained enough to handle traffic doesn’t mean hers isn’t.
me,
i’d still like clanter or someone to explain how to ground tie. my horses stand still for grooming and tacking, i’d love to instill that for other circumstances as well but i’ve never read a description of how to do it.
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