Tying a horse for a long time

[MyReality]

Again, I have no idea what you guys are arguing about.

Some horses due to the nature of their work, need to be tied for a long time. Cattle work, carriage work all require the horses to stand quietly. It is a necessity. Against whatever you believe in, the horses must be taught to do so.

I know next to no one in dressage that will tie their horses for extended periods of time. Why? it is not necessary. We don’t go to shows that last for hours and hours… we ship in or ship out. Or we stable the night before.

And there is another very practical reason for not tieing the horse for long periods of time… for dressage horses. Dressage requires the horse to be supple… a horse before going to do the 5 minue test, needs to be totally soft and warmed up, and tying the horse for any extended period of time is not going to make a supple horse, especially if he is not standing in rubber matts or shavings but on hard ground.

People who tie their horses up for hours for no reason are just idiots. All horses get used to anything. I know a certain rocky mountain clinician, tie the horse’s head to his tail… and the horse gets used to it too. Well what does that tell ya? Nothing. So what your horse could stand tied for hours? Too bad there isn’t a competition for it.

People who don’t have their horses practice tying, but their jobs require tying are also idiots. To do the job, the horses must be conditioned… it is unfair and unsafe otherwise. It’s not just teaching the horse to stand still, but often standing still besides a mare or a horse he doesn’t know… very important for range work, or police unit and other jobs… where there is lots of waiting, all readied to be called for action.

[siegi_b]

My Reality - thank you for your words of reason. I don’t know why certain posters here think that all horses are or need to be the same. And to categorize that GP horses should be able to stand tied all day because yours does is completely meaningless. There are GP horses and then there are GP horses that are competitive and win.

Politically Incorrect comes across as a bitter, unhappy person and reminds me very much of 3Sisters or Monica of TOB. Some people just can’t stand it when somebody else has more than they do, and God forbid, can spend thousands on a good horse. That’s where the hatred starts right away with the likes of PI.

And it’s always just a few bad apples that spoil it for everybody else. At least over here PI doesn’t have the backing of Mark or else we’d all be banned by now.

Let’s hope that Suzy comes back to health soon and PI crawls back to her UDDB hole.

[kkj]

Thanks Siegi,

CanadianGolden and PI,

When I was young and dumb and had no appreciation of the danger of things, I used to ride my pony all over town. We used to race bareback and helmetless on the high school track. I used to ride up and down slippery narrow roads. As a teenager, I used to ride my Dutch gelding to the highschool football games and swim meets. I would do tempi changes and even jump the hurdles on the track. I was a silly teenage girl who liked the attention. I would do I do not do that now because I have some sense.

My horse is very well trained for a 4 year old. She is highly bred with grand prix horses on both sides. She is super sensitive and responsive. I could ride her in traffic. She would go forward and is not spooky. However, I don’t think it is safe. I might do it on some older QH or some police horse gelding but not on my 4 year old mare. My horse will never be a candidate for the police academy (even if they took mares). Do you think Salinero or Jazz would be either? No. There are significant differences between a highly bred hot grand prix prospect and a police horse or QH kids horse type horse. You can teach the hot FEI warmblood to stand quietly tied and ride in traffice but it will not likely ever be as mellow and bombproof. You can’t make the trail horse be competitive at GP dressage either. Breeding for a certain purpose does make a difference. I assert this because I have grown up on a horse ranch that raised both types. There is a reason trainers put their amateurs on mellow QH types and keep the hot FEI ride with all the bells and whistles to themselves. We are breeding more and more horses today that take a very good hand and a pro ride. These are the highly competitive upper level dressage horses. It would be a lot more scary to leave one of these horses tied to a trailer and walk away than it would be to leave the good ole all arounder.

I think it is great that your dressage horse is your trail horse is your dressage horse. Go out and enjoy it all. If you are good at a lot of things, I doubt you are superb at any one thing. I want a highly competitive dressage horse, not a horse that double as a car to Taco Bell.

I am careful with my horse because I love her and would not want any harm that could have been easily avoided by using a little sense to come to her. However the fact that she is worth more than what 10 average trail horses cost does factor in a little. You would be more careful with a ferrarri than a hyundai too. I am sorry that you are bitter that you don’t have a ferrarri to drive (and probably couldn’t handle the gears and steering anyway).

[shireluver]

As I read this thread, I am reminded of a GP horse that I used to ride. He was a Trakehner, son of Martini, well bred guy. Anyway, he was used for trail riding, and even entered in trail classes, and we considered Western Pleasure classes because he had the moves. And yes, I did not use GP loosely. I saw all his winnings for GP tests, so I know he was the real deal.

The last analogy of a Ferari vs a Hyundai, makes alot of sense. You’re right, not everybody can handle a Ferari, but the point of both cars is to get from point A to point B. Also the Ferari may be able to due 120 mph, but 65 is the speed limit. So, in essence, the Ferari needs to be able to do what the Hyundai can do without the excuse, that since it can go faster, it should be allowed to. The Ferari is worth more money, but I don’t think money is the issue, everybody needs a car, so they should take care of what they have.

[Equilibrium]

Just to clarify, even though I didn’t get my first horse til 32, I rode all my life and galloped TB’s for 14 years. Just could only afford the luxury now.

I don’t think being jealous of people who have really expensive horses is justified. Life is flippin short why waste it on petty crap like that. I’m sure all of us wish we had nice expensive horses that fly though GP tests, but then again maybe that would be boring.

Too all of you that have really expensive horses, well done and I hope you have great successes. To those of you who strive to be the best you can on your average horses, well done too. I just want to be good enough to have a great day out wether it’s RC bottom dressage or a bit of showjumping. As long as we’re learning, I’m happy.

And unless I plan on doing overnight trips where my horse needs to be tied all night he is not going anywhere near a tree. Keep it simple

Terri

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

Silly rebuttals

Ahhh so now the defense is the worth of the horse?

My weanlings sell for 5-10,000 honey. And crosses at that. I dont breed to sell, two were mares that were in foal when I got them. 8 and 9 year old mares that had never had more than a halter on them. I thought they would be a fun test of what I had learned so far.

I have a High School Trained Lusitano, imported from Portugal. Do some research and figure out what one of those costs. Purebred Lusitano.

Exhibition Arabian. This horse I am especially proud of. He had a lot of good training on him when I got him, but he is no Deadhead. Most riders could not handle him out in the open, he and I have developed a special respect and lots of trust for/in each other and we can do it all.

I have a few others as well… My favorite currently is a Friesian Cross I raised from birth, and is now 3.5 years old. Almost ready to start under saddle, but she has more training than most 4 year olds you will find she can… work at liberty, bow, kneel, lay down, Sit up, Spanish Walk, pick up and retrieve objects, wave hello, and all on vocal cues only. The gun shots don’t bother her, the tractors are just another thing in the pasture. She is much smaller than her sister the same age is, but if there ever was a Kids Dressage Horse she is it.

My farrier charges me half price because he likes coming to my place. Just call out a horses name and they will come on over stand still and when your done trimming them they go back to the “herd” and then you call the next one over.

Some ignorant fools will say oh that’s trick training, those with a brain know it’s the most fun groundwork you will ever do. So even though she is still young, she has had 3.5 years of time with me and training. I know her temperament, and I can tell you exactly what she is like because she has been asked to do something other than stand around waiting to turn 4. A horse always has a mind of their own, but I can pretty much know how she is going to react to something new. Thus riding down the road is not a yahoo adventure waiting to see what happens and being a dipshit.

Leading, tying, ground tying, clipping, bathing and all the stuff any horse should be able to do are not even a thought. They are a given on my place. The horses are schooled.

She is an honest horse, and the communication channels are established. Hanging out with me is fun for her. My horses jockey for position outside the play pen waiting for their turn to come in and play. The trainers in this world I choose to learn from believe that work should be for a reason. Trick training is just something to do to build trust and communication with the youngsters.

As soon as it cools of a bit I will start her under saddle with light work and then in another year or so we will start real work.

So by no means are my horses trail plugs…Not that there is ANYTHING wrong with a good trail horse, and there is EVERYTHING wrong with a Grand Prix horse you cant ride wherever you want.

I believe in the old calvary officer saying, if your horse dies your next. You think I want my horse running out onto the highway? No, and damn sure no with me on them.

And yes I can ride all of them anywhere and they will be safe and responsible in any surrounding. Its not magic its work.

Now back to the stupid rebuttals……

That is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. "Oh well my horses are competition horses. Every heard of a horse named Rabauke or Goldstern?

Google the names and you will find out that Competition horses can be just fine riding down the road. These two were real competition horses at the international and Olympic levels. By no means am I comparing myself to the trainer of those horses. I am just a horse lover, but I choose people like that to hold as ideals, not the distorted view of Dressage so many seem to have.

Why do I tie off to a tree to go inside and eat? Because sometimes I get hungry when I am out riding…

Go Shireluver!! The last analogy of a Ferari vs a Hyundai, makes alot of sense. You’re right, not everybody can handle a Ferari, but the point of both cars is to get from point A to point B. Also the Ferari may be able to due 120 mph, but 65 is the speed limit. So, in essence, the Ferari needs to be able to do what the Hyundai can do without the excuse, that since it can go faster, it should be allowed to."

For the record I have owned a Ferrari and yes I would go thru the drive thru on it. It was a grey market car so no emission controls and it could make the windows rattle when I revved it up.

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

Silly rebuttals

Ahhh so now the defense is the worth of the horse?

My weanlings sell for 5-10,000 honey. And crosses at that. I dont breed to sell, two were mares that were in foal when I got them. 8 and 9 year old mares that had never had more than a halter on them. I thought they would be a fun test of what I had learned so far.

I have a High School Trained Lusitano, imported from Portugal. Do some research and figure out what one of those costs. Purebred Lusitano.

Exhibition Arabian. This horse I am especially proud of. He had a lot of good training on him when I got him, but he is no Deadhead. Most riders could not handle him out in the open, he and I have developed a special respect and lots of trust for/in each other and we can do it all.

I have a few others as well… My favorite currently is a Friesian Cross I raised from birth, and is now 3.5 years old. Almost ready to start under saddle, but she has more training than most 4 year olds you will find she can… work at liberty, bow, kneel, lay down, Sit up, Spanish Walk, pick up and retrieve objects, wave hello, and all on vocal cues only. The gun shots don’t bother her, the tractors are just another thing in the pasture. She is much smaller than her sister the same age is, but if there ever was a Kids Dressage Horse she is it.

My farrier charges me half price because he likes coming to my place. Just call out a horses name and they will come on over stand still and when your done trimming them they go back to the “herd” and then you call the next one over.

Some ignorant fools will say oh that’s trick training, those with a brain know it’s the most fun groundwork you will ever do. So even though she is still young, she has had 3.5 years of time with me and training. I know her temperament, and I can tell you exactly what she is like because she has been asked to do something other than stand around waiting to turn 4. A horse always has a mind of their own, but I can pretty much know how she is going to react to something new. Thus riding down the road is not a yahoo adventure waiting to see what happens and being a dipshit.

Leading, tying, ground tying, clipping, bathing and all the stuff any horse should be able to do are not even a thought. They are a given on my place. The horses are schooled.

She is an honest horse, and the communication channels are established. Hanging out with me is fun for her. My horses jockey for position outside the play pen waiting for their turn to come in and play. The trainers in this world I choose to learn from believe that work should be for a reason. Trick training is just something to do to build trust and communication with the youngsters.

As soon as it cools of a bit I will start her under saddle with light work and then in another year or so we will start real work.

So by no means are my horses trail plugs…Not that there is ANYTHING wrong with a good trail horse, and there is EVERYTHING wrong with a Grand Prix horse you cant ride wherever you want.

I believe in the old calvary officer saying, if your horse dies your next. You think I want my horse running out onto the highway? No, and damn sure no with me on them.

And yes I can ride all of them anywhere and they will be safe and responsible in any surrounding. Its not magic its work.

Now back to the stupid rebuttals……

That is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. "Oh well my horses are competition horses. Every heard of a horse named Rabauke or Goldstern?

Google the names and you will find out that Competition horses can be just fine riding down the road. These two were real competition horses at the international and Olympic levels. By no means am I comparing myself to the trainer of those horses. I am just a horse lover, but I choose people like that to hold as ideals, not the distorted view of Dressage so many seem to have.

Why do I tie off to a tree to go inside and eat? Because sometimes I get hungry when I am out riding…

Go Shireluver!! The last analogy of a Ferari vs a Hyundai, makes alot of sense. You’re right, not everybody can handle a Ferari, but the point of both cars is to get from point A to point B. Also the Ferari may be able to due 120 mph, but 65 is the speed limit. So, in essence, the Ferari needs to be able to do what the Hyundai can do without the excuse, that since it can go faster, it should be allowed to."

For the record I have owned a Ferrari and yes I would go thru the drive thru on it. It was a grey market car so no emission controls and it could make the windows rattle when I revved it up.

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

KKJ

You wrote"I might do it on some older QH or some police horse gelding but not on my 4 year old mare. My horse will never be a candidate for the police academy (even if they took mares)."

Here sweetie, go read this…http://www.balkenhol.org/

Click on the link for horses read and then come back and explain that for us will ya?

Those were police horses no?

P.S. I live in a city of over 1 Million. There are very few trails around anymore, and you have to cross a few roads to get from one part to another. so no we are Urban Trail Riders…on our Grand Prix Trail Horses…LOL…

[mzpeepers]

Wow! this thread has sure degenerated into a train wreck hasn’t it?

It’s pretty hard to say things like UDBB is like Leave it to Beaver when some people post with such animosity…PI, I’m one of those who firmly believe a horse should be trained do withstand just about anything, standing tied being just a portion of it, regardless of price tag and/or discipline. Nevertheless I’m truly having a hard time wih your choice of wording. I see no reason to be this harsh no matter how annoying you may find a post.

As far as ground tying…I’m really curious as to what techniques you guys have used. All my horses ground tie but I cannot for the life of me tell you how I did it. It seems that one day they decided it was cool to stand there and wait for me to tell them if and when they could move. I’d be curious to find out if something I did unkwnowingly was the reason for that

[neVar]

My horse was ‘cow boy started’ (by our co owner at the time- great guy). And yes- we did the tie and stand. It usually involved either being tied in the stall (empty barn) or at the hitching post while he went around doing chorse (cleaning stalls etc. horse was supervised. This guy has these great reining horses who just park and go to sleep, my guy for the lil blast off spook and bronc he can be- when in doubt we PARK. BOom he relaxes, hangs out- loose rein and just chills with the crowd. we have hanging at the gate down to an art, it was a lfie saver at the first horse show- as well he will tie well at a trailer if needed (haven’t) by no means is the proper way to do this leaving a horse out in the hot sun with no water (though truthfully my horse hangs out with the sun and no water i’m sure for more then an hour a day- he aint drinking 24/7 though the water IS there for him). It’s not about leaving ahorse who’se never tied there to panic and fight. It’s about teaching them patience. and it does IMO build their confidence- they don’t need mommy by them holding their hand bet that their handler or another horse.

[kkj]

PI the horses that are kicking butt today in high level competitive dressage are not Baroque horses or Arabs or what have you. They are not the big quiet klunky warmbloods of yesteryear. They are very seldom military horses or police horses. They are often very hot horses. Of course there are exceptions, like maybe Bretinna would be a great police horse. My horse does not have the disposition to be a police horse but she does have great rideability and potential for competitive dressage. It is not a matter of handling or training, she is just not a police horse type. Maybe it is due to more specialized breeding or what have you, but I don’t think many horses in the German Police force today could give Salinero or Briar or whoever a run for their money.

I believe in ground manners and ground work. I think it is awesome all the ground work you have done with your Friesan cross. My 4 year old does not know any tricks and I admit I don’t have a clue of how to teach them. Props to you for that. My horse is very solid in tying, free loads into the trailer, good to clip etc. She is great in new places. She is starting 1st level work although I don’t sit on her much. I do not ride her all over the road, trails sure, but not roads. I have known two people in my lifetime that have been killed when their heads hit pavement or cement in a fall off a horse. I wear a helmet but choose not to ride on the road. Call me a wimp. I really don’t care. It is like I would not ride a motorcycle. You are so exposed to so many idiots in cars and it is not if you will crash but when. I will never tie my horse to a tree at a fast food place. I would just be too nervous about that. I don’t want that Big Mac bad enough to risk her getting hurt. She ties just fine but I would see no need in that.

[egontoast]

Politically incorrect, like the name, is likely trailblazer, northplaza or ultimate piaffe or one of their chums. Same nasty anti-dressage, anti warmblood stuff spewed forth.

[MyReality]

Nobody said dressage horses don’t need manners. All horses need manners. Led, tied, good for vet and farrier, respect for human. Basic stuff. But I thought we are talking about horses being tied for a long time, or hacking on the road. That’s a different story.

I would never hack along the road for more than 2 minutes… unless it’s a little dirt country road. I don’t hack ANY horse along the road if I need to go more than 2 minutes. I don’t cross any major road on ANY horse period… I will lead them over if I must.

Why? because I’ve seen the most horrific accidents. e.g. This horse (and a very good one, she is a polo and drill horse who goes to parades all the time) decided to run… and we didn’t even know why. Dump the rider in the middle of a road, tries to jump some wire fence from a ditch and cut both front legs open. I will never do it no matter how good the horse is or how good I am. It has nothing to do with how well you trust the horse or your riding ability. Any horse spook, any rider comes off… those things are a-ok, I can handle it… but I better make sure it doesn’t happen on a fricking road with traffic.

If your horse actually likes hacking on the road, I won’t even congratulate you… I would just think the owner is stupid. Well unless you are a police, then you MUST do so cuz it’s your job… you take much more risk than the average for a honourable reason.

My horse can stand a good half hour. Your horse could stand 2 hours. So what? I would only be concerned if your horse don’t even stand 15 minutes or yank the cross ties out in 10 seconds flat.

[slc2]

That’s great, PI, you’ve described three-four horses you have and you’ve sold weanlings, and you paid a lot for your Lusitano. That’s so great. Congratulations on paying alot for your Lusitano. Of course, that would mean you have more knowledge than anyone else. Writing checks for large amounts of money for horses, does incur that on a person.

Unfortunately the most obvious give-away of a lack of knowledge and experience with horses, are the statements you made about - well, I’d have to copy your whole posts.

Horses, riders, disciplines, traditions and expectations are all different. Environments are different. Riders are different. Some people aren’t comfortable doing some things. Does that make them the devil and you God? Probably not.

It’s not safe to ride on the road any more unless you live in Resume Speed, Iowa.

Horses used to be tied up alot, when they cost 10 dollars, and if one broke its neck, it was a piece of equipment and not a pet, like the dad told his kid at our barn, if you kill that one i won’t buy you another. Things are a little bit different now.

And frankly, if my horse won the Olympics in dressage, I would not take him out behind the barn and shoot him because he didn’t stand tied. Call me impractical, LOL.

slc

[egontoast]

And frankly, if my horse won the Olympics in dressage, I would not take him out behind the barn and shoot him because he didn’t stand tied. Call me impractical, LOL.

Sometimes, even though it GALLS ME! , I have to agree with the slcster.

[nhwr]

To bring this slugfest back to its original point,

I think you could make an arguement that the more valuable a horse is, the more important it is to teach it to tie properly.

I don’t think a horse with issues about tying is worthless. But it certainly doesn’t decrease a horse’s value that they have this skill. That you don’t see the benefit to doing something, doesn’t mean there is no benefit. It only means get don’t see what others do.

And there is another very practical reason for not tieing the horse for long periods of time… for dressage horses. Dressage requires the horse to be supple… a horse before going to do the 5 minue test, needs to be totally soft and warmed up, and tying the horse for any extended period of time is not going to make a supple horse, especially if he is not standing in rubber matts or shavings but on hard ground.

Boy, I guess my experience is different. In my area, it is common to go to a show where rides are spaced several hours apart. And the best way to keep a horse supple aside from a good gymnastic warm up, is giving them as much turn out as possible, which I usually do without the benefit of rubber mats or shavings;)

[Trakehners2000]

Politically Incorrect…

I didn’t have time to muddle through all the muck on the last two pages, though I had to say I was ready to point out Goldstern too, glad you did…I don’t want to degress to name calling… though how can you (not you, the previous poster) be serious in dressage and make a wild comment about Police horses and dressage??? Do they not realize who the USA Olympic Coach is???:no: Iyyeee Kuramba…Give me a break… I think way back when you said ‘buyers, not trainers’, you hit the nail on the head.

This has certainly given me a little bit more reason to push for my goal…to have my stallion be competitive nationally in dressage and endurance…Geez…if Goldstern can hold a job as a cop and go to the Olympics…then I can be polictically incorrect too…and keep on with my goal…I’m sure Klaus would smile at that one… Don’t worry, Politically Incorrect, we know that we believe that dressage is a means, not an end…and so does the USA coach…we are in good company…He believes horses were made to use their knowledge from the dressage ring in the real world…yes, we are in good company.

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

Hang on back up a minute…

slc2-The best horse I have every ridden, owned or been around I paid 350 bucks for. I dont care what a horse costs. Papers, lineage, price tag, Country of Origin…only matter when buying and selling. They have nothing to do with riding or a good horse.

I was merely replying this post from siegi b-

“Politically Incorrect comes across as a bitter, unhappy person and reminds me very much of 3Sisters or Monica of TOB. Some people just can’t stand it when somebody else has more than they do, and God forbid, can spend thousands on a good horse. That’s where the hatred starts right away with the likes of PI.”

So please dont put me in the I spend a lot on my horse so I know everything category…

Then there is egoontoast the genius that he/she is…Same nasty anti-dressage, anti warmblood stuff spewed forth.

Say EGOONTOAST—Can you please point out the post in which I said anything Anti Warmblood, or Anti Dressage? If ever I said anything in a negative light about Dressage it had quotation marks around it. I dont have the time to explain to you what that means, but your wrong if you think I dont like Warmbloods or Dressage.

I dont have a warmblood yet, but if I can find a good one at or under 16 hands I like I will get myself one. Actually there is a trainer here who is buying one for me. Just to prove to me that they are stupid. I told her no stupid horses, only stupid people.

After she saw how far this ASB has come, from being a schizzo and dangerous horse, to being able to work cows, and she can Piaffe and Passage all day long! She is having second thoughts about her having to pay for the warmblood or maybe looking foolish.

How about this. How about you dont put you and your horses limitations on others. Its ok if you dont want to train your horses, but dont tell others they shouldnt because of your incompetence. Why is it so hard to believe someone can train their horses to be responsible and safe?I do try to avoid the road if I can, especially on hot days because they are slick and the shoes make it hard if one does bolt…but if I need to cross, then I cross… I am not worried my horse will be stupid about it. Why do I avoid the roads if possible? Because a horses are horses.

Why do I think any horse regardless of how “competitive” they are can be taught to be reliable and safe? Because a horses are horses.

To say that my horse is a competition horse and he is bred to be stupid is not a valid argument…For the most part its an excuse(and a very bad one) to not push yourself to learn more. Your vanity amazes me.

I know nothing, but I want to learn everything. I want to be the best I can for my horses.

Myreality wrote -" I would just think the owner is stupid."

Of course because God forbid someone was a better horse-person/trainer than you are…
Back to you kkj. “PI the horses that are kicking butt today in high level competitive dressage are not Baroque horses or Arabs or what have you.”

Girl you need help…Spanish Team HELLO!..How many of those warmbloods dont have Arab blood in them?

For the record the only thing I hate is someone who gives advice without knowing anything. Someone who puts there limitations on others.

Just to clear this misconception up for any of you that seem to be confuse… It is unsafe to ride horses!

and yes I ride with a helmet always…Even if I am just playing around on them in the paddock. Western Saddle, Polo Saddle, English Saddle…SAME HELMET!

Now will KKJ please go to the link I gave her and explain how those horses could win Olympic Gold and still ride down the road and be police horses?

I have yet to hear any logic from the ones who jumped down my throat because I was jumping on Sabine for giving unqualified advice…your loyalty is admirable but…

Disclaimer-Please note this was not directed at everybody…NWHR and so many others have great points and even some of the people who made some rather unfounded comments had a few good points.

The best way I can sum up what I am trying to say is to quote SLC2-Horses, riders, disciplines, traditions and expectations are all different. Environments are different. Riders are different. Some people aren’t comfortable doing some things. Does that make them the devil and you God? Probably not. "

But of course I am the devil for being able to do what you cant or wont. And everyone who ties their horse is the devil to Sabine…

My point was is and will be that Sabine HK was giving bad advice on this particular topic.

What is TOB???

Now SLC2 I dare you to point out anything I said that proves I dont have experience with horses or knowledge(that I will admit is not as much as someone else could have…

[Trakehners2000]

GOLDSTERN- DRESSAGE STAR & STELLAR POLICE HORSE

In response to KKJ SAYS " She is super sensitive and responsive. I could ride her in traffic. She would go forward and is not spooky. However, I don’t think it is safe. I might do it on some older QH or some police horse gelding… My horse will never be a candidate for the police academy… Do you think Salinero or Jazz would be either? No. There are significant differences between a highly bred hot grand prix prospect and a police horse or QH kids horse type horse. You can teach the hot FEI warmblood to stand quietly tied and ride in traffice but it will not likely ever be as mellow and bombproof. You can’t make the trail horse be competitive at GP dressage either. Breeding for a certain purpose does make a difference. I assert this because I have grown up on a horse ranch that raised both types. There is a reason trainers put their amateurs on mellow QH types and keep the hot FEI ride with all the bells and whistles to themselves. We are breeding more and more horses today that take a very good hand and a pro ride. These are the highly competitive upper level dressage horses. It would be a lot more scary to leave one of these horses tied to a trailer and walk away than it would be to leave the good ole all arounder."

kkj, do you know who Goldstern is???Goldstern is one of my all time favorite horses, mainly because he
did put his training to use!!!Goldstern, and our Olympic coach, Klaus Balkenhol already disproved your comment years ago. If you are serious about dressage, how can you make comments like you did??? Are you not familiar with the USET coach?!!

I - like Politically Incorrect, trick trained my horse as he was growing up…develops a great bond. My Trakehner stallion does tricks, halter, hunter, distance/endurance, jumps and dressage. He has the basics on for driving, and I may get him hooked to my sled yet. I am glad Politically Incorrect has put their views out there, it is good to know that I am not alone in the thought that a horse can be multitalented… in fact, I think it keeps 'em happy, makes life more interesting for them!!!
Take care,
God Bless…
Christina
~~Choose thy Love, Love thy Choice~~
This is my Trakehner Stallion,
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL673/3013403/11473555/166193830.jpg

He has learned commands (tricks);
COLOR=“navy”]He learned these at a young age, while he was yet growing and we were bonding…
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http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL673/3013403/11473555/166193833.jpg

He & I are working with in dressge and schooling upper level movements…here we are at our first dressage training show… http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL673/3013403/11473555/166193835.jpg (burrrrr…it was in February in Illinois!!!)

We have competed in Endurance and Competitive Trail:placing in top ten everytime…
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL673/3013403/11473555/166193839.jpg
And he has won Reserve Champion & monies in Halter & Hunter under saddle…
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL673/3013403/11473555/166193844.jpg

Besides this he can work cattle, stand tied all night and goes swimming…he drinks out of bottles and has traversed 13 miles of a 25 mile endurance ride with a mare practically peeing on his shoulder…a mare in full heat. Our dressage instructor thinks he will be FEI level, our jumping trainer sees him going training level xc no problem, he is a prepotent sire…he’s wonderful, we have fun with him… Why is it that so many of you never ride your horse outside of four walls, and bash us that do??? I know, I know, “Congrats on everything you can do with your horse, though I’d never…my horse is too expensive…” Do you really think Trakehners are not expensive? I don’t care how much he cost…I’d better have fun with him and he’d better be useful!!! BTW the vet clinic thinks he’s the best behaved stallion that walks through the doors…:yes: I know this was off the thread about tying, though kkj’s comment opened the door for dressage horses that kick up their heels in other arenas…glad mine does too…putting on flame resistant clothing now…

[Trakehners2000]

For the person who said that Arabs/Part Arabs are not excelling in dressage…look into any warmblood registry and you will see that
they are all influenced by Arabian blood…AND check out Robert Dover’s horse in the last Olympics…UMMMM HALF ARAB…:winkgrin: