For the person who said that Arabs/Part Arabs are not excelling in dressage…look into any warmblood registry and you will see that
they are all influenced by Arabian blood…AND check out Robert Dover’s Olympic mount, FBW KENNEDY, happens to be out of an Arabian mare.:winkgrin:
WINDFALL< Olympic horse…does well in his level of dressage…what is that third level, not shabby…> He is one fourth Arabian.:eek: :yes: The list goes on…
anyone who can put so much energy and vile energy for that into a post and a reply- spend the time to highlight and color, quote etc…must not have a life…must be a total malnourished, lonely person, longing for some serious, satisfying contact…from the way you view horses, they seem to be commodities - not able to help you emotionally to calm down…
sorry- apart from the topic here- there is a lot of stuff you say and scold folks with that shows a lot of hurt and pain and anger- deep anger for that matter…and since it’s been going on for a while- even if you are just pretending to get people’s skin in a roil- it still is not a normal behavior…so PI- get some good help soon!
and bless your horses- consider they have souls too- that might go to heaven one day…
PS: I tie my horses- not to a tree- not for hours- but as needed while I am there.
I am not giving advice- I was sharing a particular tragic experience I had with two horses, that happened to be very expensive and talented and I do not live in a small town - as many noted- I boarded at the country fair- with horses you have never put your butt on…so chill. Just calm down for a tad…will ya…you sound like you’re more threatened by the folks around here than you would ever want your horses to be= while tied to a tree…best- as always!!
Sabine there you go again
Honey I can type up to 65-70 wpm. So its not a lot of EFFORT. Sabine if you highlight the text and then just click the little A above the text box it will put colors in text for you too!! I put the colors in so people dont get confused about what I am saying.
See there you go again. Because it might take you a lot of effort to type something up it must take everyone.
Sabine- God bless your horses souls that ARE in heaven. You better get some help/horsemanship lessons soon or you might send a couple of more to heaven, before my horses get a chance to go.
OK everyone…now THAT was mean and hurtful…Can you see the difference? I wasnt being mean and hurtful before.
Before I was just Politically Incorrect.
Ok Seigi, and the rest of ya, come to her rescue now…
PI= hope you’re leavin soon…
glad you’ve mastered computers…LOL!
I have sent none to heaven- they are just fine thank you. They are competing as we speak- I think last I hear at the CDI in PB…so no worry…
it just took a lot to repair and heal what had happened- it was sad and expensive and unnecessary…to assume that a horse with a strong spirit could deal with just any BS that came along = while being tied…
so there…I hear Suzy is back- hope you find some greener pastures then…
Oh Contraire
They are competing as we speak- I think last I hear at the CDI in PB… the two you killed in the crossties are now in the CDI? Where is PB? Heaven?
??? why are you here?
CDI at Pebble Beach- ended yesterday…get educated…this is the dressage board…we talk about dressage horses…forget it…waste of my time.
Ok Seigi, and the rest of ya, come to her rescue now…
Actually that was the bit that was you being mean and hurtful.
We can all do that, bravo.
Sabine…
“but I don’t agree…maybe I have been burned bad- I lost 2 horses to tying/cross tieing accidents…a total of 70K down the drain- I won’t do it again - ever…Sorry!!!”
How does knowing what PB means have anything to do with being qualified to discuss horsemanship on a BB?
Oh thats right! We are not discussing horsemanship we are talking about Dressage Horses. (You like that? I can use Letters too!)
For a minute I thought there were at a Peanut Butter something…Thank you for the education. I learned something…Too bad you cant.
P.S. (Look another use of letters!) You should change your BB name (ha! another use of letters) to SabineHK, or SabineSH2H.
Hey anyone watch the CDI GS? RD qualified for the WEG.
it just took a lot to repair and heal what had happened- it was sad and expensive and unnecessary…to assume that a horse with a strong spirit could deal with just any BS that came along = while being tied…
SO you healed and repaired two dead horses you killed in the crossties?
Someone asked me who my “alter personality” was…
Sabines “alter personilty” must be Jesus Christ himself, she can bring the dead back to life. Glory hallelujah!
P.S. (see more letters, I am almost a Dressage Rider!!!..with you having those powers and possibly Jesus himself I formally take back the heaven jokes. No offense…
go already…
OK- this is a dressage board- go somewhere else if you want to talk about how great you are trotting on concrete- teaching spanish walk to a 3 yr old and so on…
the horses I lost had to spend a significant time being healed and rehabbed (don’t ask me what that means and how much it costs…LOL) after the accidents that were clearly caused by circumstance- unexpected elements aggressively entering their space in a crowded environment…but both were completely healed, painfree and functioning well.
One of the horses was taken over by a well respected pro that felt she could take on his very dominant personality- the other one was tried as a lower level dressage horse and is now a pleasure horse.
They are doing fine and I have made sure that they have a good future.
And that’s the end of the story…now go home…!
So to recap
Some people train their horses to be multi purpose, they trail ride or hack as we call it, ride on the road/highway, go to the drive through/sweet shop/pub whatever
They work cows… i don’t actually know what that entails we don’t do that in Europe. They ground tie…ditto but i have seen cowboy movies is that the same thing? It’s handy if they can stand still for a long time unattended.
These horses go everywhere they go forward back sideways and can piaffe and passage. Some were very cheap and some were very expensive and they’re all different breeds. Sounds good to me it’s what i did as a child in the summer holidays.
Other people have chosen a discipline and pursue that as far as they can possibly go. Their horses live a different life they don’t attempt to make them multi purpose although as Goldstern proved it is always a possibility.It is not necessary to ride these horses everywhere nor tie them up or leave them standing for a long time although if you wanted to i’m sure you could train it. They are trained for the purpose they are used for and the purpose they are bred for. Some are really expensive some are not. Also sounds good to me.
What is it you guys are fighting over? i don’t get it.
Its asphalt not concrete. Spanish Walk is a very useful exercise when training a Dressage Horse. Of course you would have to know something about shoulder movment, conformation and HORSES to understand that… so I forgive you Sabine.
And of course your horse that spooked, who did not die as you led everyont to believe earlier, has NOW ended up a trail horse because of the spooking right…otherwise he would have been Grand Prix just like none of your others are.
Or we could say if you were more experienced in horses yourself you could have got him past the trauma, but nope…
Fiona add one more category to your recap. The horses can work the cows, ride down the road and still do Piaffe and Passage tranistions better than Sabines Ultra Competitive Dressage Horses and half pass zig zags when chasing the cows to boot!! With one in particular I can do a nice courbette, levade and pessade! I love doing a nice Pessade as we leave the drive thru…Hi ho Silver…and away…
Actually what we are fighting over is the definition of Dressage. The modern carrot lady definition, or what has been historically known as correct dressage. Systematic training of the mind, body and spirit of a horse to prepare him for any situation that may arise,
either in battle or otherwise.
But why are you fighting with Sabine? What’s a carrot lady? And why is it a problem that some people like to train for historical dressage as you describe and some like to train for competition dressage in an arena? Am i missing something here, is this for fun or serious?
Oi…Fiona…I’m with you.
I’m still curious, as others, to see what methods people use to train their horses to ground tie.
I have pretty much read through the whole thread, though I’ve skimmed most of the fighting. Unless I missed something…I don’t think ANY one person on this has said “I totally disagree with tying, I think it’s stupid, my horse doesn’t need to know how.”
In fact, it seems as though everyone has a horse that knows how to tie and feels that their horses SHOULD know how to tie. It’s just that some don’t feel the need to tie their horse for hours, while others think it’s a valuable training method. So, really, we’re getting down to arguing over the length of time someone trains their horse and whether or not they leave them unattended.
Am I right here…? Or have I read everything wrong? Excluding what is going on between Sabine and Politically Incorrect, as that’s completely strayed from the content of the OP.
Back to lurking…
Fiona
And why is it a problem that some people like to train for historical dressage as you describe and some like to train for competition dressage in an arena?
Thats what I am trying to figure out myself?
Here is my play by play commentary of the events that unfolded on COTH today.
The disagreement in question started with Sabine giving advice she was not qualified to give, then backed her argument with the the fact that she personally killed two horses so if she cant do it no one can. Later she brought the horses back to life Then Sabine starts talking in code and I must not know about dressage because I dont know the codes, one of the horses she raised from the dead is at a cdi in pb, apparently not peanut butter. And the other is a trail horse which before she never owned a trail horse. So who knows…Me thinks Sabine is possible bi polar schizzophrenic who needs to take her meds and find a man.
Then my horses were worthless and theirs cost a lot of money so they must know, then I am a know it all who spent a lot of money on my horses, then I am driving a Hyndai, and they a Ferrari, which I actually owned at one time,
Then I was accused of being stupid or good rider/trainer I cant figure that one out yet. Because my horses can go down the road and thru the drive thru when I need to eat.
Then Baroque breeds arent competitive, then the Spanish team rides them…
Then its if your horse was bred to Piaffe and Passage he wont be able to stand tied or be responsible or safe, and High Level compeition horses and Dressage horses are hot and arent good police horses. and I am stupid for not knowing that… and then rabuke and Goldstern were Olympic Dressage Champions and Police Horses… and KKJ avoids the topic.
Then we cant disagree, then we can…I am correct…which according to KKJ, Sabine and the Carrot Lady Klan I am not. So dont quote me on that part just yet…now I think were back to we cant disagree again…
We are currently heading back to the no one has any logic or grounds to debate their stance on anything they will tell you is fact…other than “my Carrot lady friend thinks so too, and we both just cliniced with so and so…SO THERE!”
And if you disagree well then your John Travolta swimming with a man from Snowy River doing the Spanish Walk??..I think…
…Me thinks Sabine is possible bi polar schizzophrenic who needs to take her meds and find a man.
In my opinion that’s deliberately mean, spiteful, disrespectful to those that are unfortunate enough to suffer mental illness and shows incredibly poor taste. I don’t understand the basis of your fight with sabine it seems to be based on a ( deliberate?) misconception of each others point of view. The expression of your disagreement certainly has little merit imho.
For those who state that Arabs don’t win at dressage - OKW Entrigue won on Friday at PB and took home the Perpetual Trophy. I’d say that was pretty high level dressage at that show.
ok - trainwreck continue…
Politically Incorrect, I do believe your posts are the most personally targeted and insulting I have ever seen here.
“possible bi polar schizzophrenic who needs to take her meds and find a man”
Well, the bulletin board has been led to new lows in juvenile behavior. This kind of crap just sickens me. What exactly is the matter with people who say stuff like this? How old are you, what is your level of maturity, and what sort of mentition do you have that leads you to such statements?
One of my patients once said to someone who made a similar comment, ‘Fortunately, I can take medication for what I have. You’re just an a**hole, and there’s no medication for that’.
slc
Fiona you are very sane and reasonable thanks. I could learn a lot from you. Thanks slc2 as well.
PI and Trakhener2000 this is my last attempt before the white flag. I follow competitive dressage. Have been to a few World Cups and Olympics. I know about the Spanish team. I have seen some Baroque horses do pretty well. Personally, not my cup of tea as I don’t like the short fat necks and lack of extension. I think as competitive dressage goes the Hanoverians and Dutch etc are going to continue to come out on top. That is just my personal preference, prejudice though. Dressage is very subjective and I am free to feel this way about Baroque horses. But since I have never ridden one I will shut up about it. As for Arabs, I have nothing against them. If I was a smaller person I might buy one. For FEI competitive dressage I think you are much better off on a Dutch or Hanoverian or other warmblood. I know many warmbloods have a lot of Arab blood but I am talking about pure Arabs here. The Arab that just won at PB, what level?
Trakheners2000 who is your stallion? Nice to have an all arounder type. Great you can get so much use out of him. I still assert that if you are good at many things, you are probably not spectacular at any one. If you get your horse winning 100 mile endurance races and nationally at FEI, I will eat my words.
I am talking about the specialized bred for FEI warmbloods who are more hot sensitive pro rides. I am talking about the horses that will win in the big ring today not the ones that can do eventing and cattle drives and 4th level. We have been breeding for the spectacular animated hot sensitive dressage horse. Goldstern was a great horse. Competitive Dressage has evolved even since then. The steady eddy correct horse is not enough today. We want to see the Salineros (or at least I and most of the judges do) I still assert Salinero would not be a good police horse but he is so spectacular in the ring.
You can totally disagree with me on the state or direction of competitive dressage or the history and purpose of dressage or whatever. If your horse is trained in every trick, cuts cows, ties up at taco bell and kicks my horse’s butt at FEI, I will again eat my words.
I believe in cross training and riding outside the ring. I believe in excellent ground manners including safe tying. I just have no need or desire to take my horse in endurance rides or to chase cows or ride on roads or whatever.
kkj…what lead us to Dressage was Competitive Trail…we use a lot of the same elements of dressage in working hazards that are a part of Competitive Trail
Our Morgans will never been top Drassage horses however they are top Competitive Trail and Working Western Horses.
By the way, most National Forests will not let you tie to a tree you have to use overhead tie lines that have tree protectors around the trees
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