[QUOTE=DickHertz;3218701]
I have a question…
If it’s illegal to transport horses for the purpose of slaughter, why doesn’t the PSP just sit outside of the New Holland grounds and pull people over and ask them for Health Certificates and where they are going, etc?
Maybe I’m misinterpreting the law…[/QUOTE]
It’s not illegal to transport to slaughter. There is a Senate Bill that they are trying to pass that would ban transport to slaughter for human consumption, but it hasn’t passed yet.
It’s illegal to transport in a double-decker, not illegal to just transport. And I think there’s ways to skirt those laws, anyway.
Here’s the link to the thread on Off Course. You can find the name of the trainer in there.
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=146540&highlight=real+sports
dick, i think some of your post are excellent,on the other hand why would any sane horse person wish for big brown to run bad…you may not like his connections they have managed this horse as good as anyone could…man just hope for the best…racing needs a star
Thank you for posting the video links!!! I’ll watch later. But wow, I did cringe at just the beginning when they said it was that horses last time to run ever (or whatevet they said).
I’m sure this will be interesting to watch.
[QUOTE=bobbybobby;3218931]
dick, i think some of your post are excellent,on the other hand why would any sane horse person wish for big brown to run bad…you may not like his connections they have managed this horse as good as anyone could…man just hope for the best…racing needs a star[/QUOTE]
Dutrow has cheated his way to the top - I welcome anyone who disagrees and I’ll post every infraction. Why people send their horses to a cheater is crazy and they don’t deserve the Triple Crown. Dutrow is no better than a good trainer at Charles Town except he found better ways to cheat - to get known - so he could train a horse like Big Brown. He lived in a tack room for a reason - he’s made a lot of horrible choices and while everyone deserves a second or even third chance, I can think of hundreds of connections I would rather root for.
A star? Hell, this is his 2nd or 3rd to last race he’ll ever run. A true star runs more than 10 races in their life. So Big Brown wins the Triple Crown and then retires in August. So what? He raced and beat a bunch of shitty 3 year olds - one of the worst crops in my 32 years on this planet.
dutrow is not a saint he is a very competant horse trainer…you are right ,he may not be any better than someone else ,but he does have the connections to put him where he is…he may have pushed the line in a few areas,but who that is successful has not??? try an name them…you can’t…the horse may not be secretariat,but he is a very nice individual…he is the best 3 year old right now,and maybe the best we have had in years !!! enjoy the race and lets hope for the best…
Because slaughter has been banned in the U.S. these poor hores are taken all the way to Mexico where they are without proper care, food, water etc. Then run through a chute where
someone reaches down with an ice pick and renders them immotile because the spinal column
is either severed or damaged. Then they are hoisted, still alive and aware of their surroundings and throat cut!
In the U.S. the cattle, sheep and goats are slaughtered in a humane way. Because the
horses are not sent to Federal slaughter plants where strict rules must be followed that allow
inspectors to shut the plants down at the slightest infraction, those of you who voted for
stopping these federal plants, now have to have on your conscience these thousands of horses
suffering the most inhumane treatment one can imagine!
Think about what you have created! I would much prefer a bolt to the head, in a plant
that sees I am comfortable until the last few minutes–rather then days of suffering, that
ends up in Mexico!
Face up to this reality–stopping Federal slaughter WAS NOT THE ANSWER!
LCR- The VAST majority of horses slaughtered in MX are done so by captive bolt, the same way it was done in the US. Only a few thousand are slaughtered by “pithing”, using a knife to sever the spinal cord. In order to export the meat out of the country, the killing method must meet the EU standards (Gunshot or captive bolt). The meat from horses where they used pithing is only sold within MX and most of it to factory workers disguised as Beef.
When slaughter was legal in the US, the same # of horses were being killed by pithing as now. What has increased is the number sent to the other plants for export overseas.
[QUOTE=bobbybobby;3219102]
dutrow is not a saint he is a very competant horse trainer…you are right ,he may not be any better than someone else ,but he does have the connections to put him where he is…he may have pushed the line in a few areas,but who that is successful has not??? try an name them…you can’t…the horse may not be secretariat,but he is a very nice individual…he is the best 3 year old right now,and maybe the best we have had in years !!! enjoy the race and lets hope for the best…[/QUOTE]
Michael Matz
Barclay Tagg
Graham Motion
[QUOTE=LCR;3219136]
Face up to this reality–stopping Federal slaughter WAS NOT THE ANSWER![/QUOTE]
It will prove, in the long run, to be one of the steps along the way that helped end horses going to killer auctions.
dick,you are a nice guy but a little uninformed…what the hell do you do live in a glass bottle…ride with the vet someday…open your damn eyes…don’t say something you don’t know…i gave you more credit than that…
I agree with Dick in regard to Dutrow and I have been following horse racing for well over 40 years. This guy is the epitome of who you don’t want in horse racing…jmho
Steroids every month because a vet told him to do it? He made it sound as if he didn’t even do any research of his own to see if it is a good or bad idea. This is NOT a horseman
Sorry.
For that reason I do not want Big Brown to win the Triple Crown
well you are a very simple individual…respect the horse…forget the people involved…this might be the best we have seen in 25 years…
Who won?
I missed the Preakness Did a flilyl win?
[QUOTE=DickHertz;3219201]
Michael Matz
Barclay Tagg
Graham Motion[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, lets see, I’ll start with Grahm…he is a very nice guy, and a super horseman…got his start with Bernie Bond, remember him? Notorious for pushing 2 yr olds to the limits, many didnt leave his barn with all 4 legs intact. I’m not comparing Grahm to Mr. Bond, just pointing out that he came up with a trainer that did some unscrupolous things if warrented.
Barclay, I’ve known him since the early 80’s…when he stayed in a tackroom and couldnt feed the three horses he trained…(there was a reason he lived in a tackroom)…he is a good horseman, but will do whatever it takes to win…
I cant comment on Michael, so you got me on that one!
Point being is that there is alot that goes on behind the scenes… I also know Richard, and his history (I worked for his father)… he may not be the most pleasant individual, and has crossed the line and gotten caught, but I would never wish ill will to anyone in the business… Karma is a funny thing. 
[QUOTE=Carol Ames;3219529]
I missed the Preakness Did a flilyl win?[/QUOTE]
Big Brown…easily.
[QUOTE=bobbybobby;3219516]
well you are a very simple individual…respect the horse…forget the people involved…this might be the best we have seen in 25 years…[/QUOTE]
I…don’t…think so
Not by a long shot…jmho
Forget the people that are involved?
Are you kidding me?
It’s easy to not like Dutrow, never been a fan myself. Likewise Desormeaux, something about him has always rubbed me the wrong way. The owners, IAEH, they come across, to me at least, as cocky annoying young Wall St types.
But the horse…WOOOOOOOOOOW! How could you not like a horse like that? So yeah, I can forget the connections. Hell, one would never watch racing if you had to like the connections.
I have to say it’s okay not to like Dutrow…but as for Kent, I’ve known him since he was an apprentice, and he is one of the nicest people you’ll ever hope to meet… and being a little cocky comes with the job!
[url=http://dealwithitdaily.blogspot.com/2008/05/no-day-off-running-for-their-lives.html]Behind The Scenes Of The Real Sports HBO Documentary:
Running For Their Lives
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