Ulcers - diagnosing, treating - collective wisdom sought

As a horse owner, ulcers have not been my line of country, to date – that is, very little personal experience. Years ago a past horse had one obvious go-round. Vet set up a treatment routine, I followed through, and it became a non-issue. I understand that there may still have been some level of ulcers.

Here on COTH threads I’ve read some great stuff on ulcer diagnosis and treatment.

Also got the impression that regular vet-school issue vets, with standard practice background, may not be that schooled on ulcers, although they do catch and act on obvious cases.

If a vet diagnosis may not recognize a less obvious case, what is the best way forward to diagnosis and treatment? What can vets do, what should expectations be? What other diagnosis/treatment channels are recommended?

Two horses in my universe (different board barns), geldings in their early teens, both well-schooled in the basics, have regressed in their riding behavior in the last few months, without much explanation as to why. This behavior is new for both. They live fairly relaxed lives with moderate and forgiving expectations. Both live out in apprx-two-acre pastures with a small herd (4 to 5 horses) with supplemental forage. Both like their pasture-mates and get along well. Same general riding schedule, 3-4x weekly, basic walk-trot-canter work for 30-40 minutes, with occasional ‘real’ basic dressage. Occasional light “trail” rides outside the ring for variation. Not showing/competing. They get a lot of human attention and great care. From the outside it looks as if they are living the life. Different horses, about 20 miles from each other, similar routines and riders. Similar things are happening. Other horses of their groups are not displaying these issues.

Each is being ridden by people who have long and uneventful horse & riding experience. That is, competent hunt-seat riders whose history of horses have had no wrecks or real training issues.

For both, since August/September until now (December), possible pain symptoms come up while riding. Mostly sudden balkiness with ears back and head tossing. This tends to display at the beginning of the ride, but with gentle asking the horse will work out of it within 5 minutes or so. Then there is a pleasant ride for 15 minutes or so, then the behavior can come back. The calm, unfussed rider patiently works through things as the horse plants in place for a moment or two. Some head tossing, horse is tense and unhappy. Then each will relax, start responding again to the rider, and be good to go again for another 10 minutes or so. That’s the end of ride time – especially picking a point to end when the behavior isn’t happening (not reward it hopefully).

For both, vets have checked spine & joints, basic PPE-type soundness exams, and say they find no issues. Neither vet had any other suggestions other than ‘behavior’.

From reading COTH I’ve learned that ulcers are more of a prevalent problem than many of us realize. Maybe ulcers should be the next avenue of exploration?

Your advice, thoughts, guidance, experience, etc.? Other questions to ask? Where and how to start a truly effective ulcer diagnosis (or clear report) that results in a true exploration?

If there is a particularly good past thread or post you think is worth a link, that’s appreciated, too.

Thanks all for your wisdom! :slightly_smiling_face:

Scoping is the only diagnostic tool ofvv bc alive. There is no evidence to support “ulcer points” or a visual exam. Scope, and then treat with rx plus lifestyle change (adequate forage, maximum turnout, etc) and then scope again. Continue treating and scoping at intervals until stomach is totally healed and then consider outlast or a similar product along with maintaining lifestyle changes going forward.

Personally, before I scoped I’d have an independent saddle fitter drop the panels and check the tree for structural soundness, reflock if wool, and confirm the fit is really good static and in motion.

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I never had my gelding scoped, opting instead to just do an Ulcergard trial to see if it helped. I bought seven tubes to start with, figuring I’d give one full tube each day for a week to see if things improved. When they improved on day one, I went ahead and ordered the remainder of a 30-day supply and stuck to it faithfully. My gelding got ulcers after the death of his best buddy, moving from his long-time home to a boarding barn, and some questionable feeding practices from the boarding barn (not feeding enough hay and trying to make up for it by pouring tons of high NSC grain to him).

He is now back in my care at a wonderful self-care barn, Since ulcer treatment, he is back to being Mr. Steady Eddie. He lives out 24/7 on slightly over an acre with one other horse who is his new BFF. They get fed plenty of high-quality hay and my guy’s hard feed is bagged forage (pelleted and chopped) plus Triple Crown Balancer Gold. He also usually gets 4-6 Outlast cookies a day. I don’t think he “needs” them, but he likes them a lot and they certainly can’t hurt. He’s ridden lightly a couple of times a week at most, and generally is just living his best life and happy as a clam once again.

I didn’t see the point of scoping for him since if they were discovered, I’d have to fork over money for the treatment anyway. It was cheaper just to do a trial of the Ulcergard and see what happened. Not every horse responds with such obvious improvement as quickly as he did though, so I can understand why scoping could be necessary.

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I just treated my horse for ulcers. Here was the process

Did a gastroscopy that confirmed my suspicions of ulcers.
Vet put him on 1 full tube of gastro guard (20 mins before eating), and a dose of sucralfate before every meal and before rides for 30 days.
I also added purina ultium do his diet.

At day 30 we rescoped him and his ulcers had healed. I am now tapering off gastro guard.
Going forward I will give him probably 1/4 -1/2 tube gastroguard and sucralfate before trailering and while competing
Hope this helps

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I have just treated and had very positive results so I assume problem solved. Barn owner said my horse seemed angry…in other words trying to rip her neighbors’ faces off. I hadn’t noticed any difference in performance or her demeanor around me but she was doing some damage to her hind legs with her kicking.

Not coming up with any other explanation, I did the poor man’s treatment with Nexium. 60mg (3 caps) per day for a month. Within a week, I was taking her temperature to see if she was feverish she was soooo quiet. Her behavior toward her neighbors improved a lot (not totally…she has never played well with others) but she quit the squealing and fence lunging and quit kicking as much.

About that time, the barn changed hay and started feeding in hay nets which also helped. Initially, they were feeding straight alfalfa and she snorted that up like crack and was done eating in like 30-40 minutes. That was not good.

With the feed changes, she has remained her usual sweet self (if you are a human). Not so much if you are a horse :joy:. Had that not worked, I would have had her scoped to make sure and rule ulcers out/in definitively.

Susan

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That sounds interesting! 3 caps per day is easy and not expensive at all. Glad you got such good results!

When my horse had uncles the only real change I noticed in him was when being worked. He just flat out refused to move out (pokey walk, resistance to trot and canter). I had him scoped and it turned out he had grade four ulcers. A month of Gastroguard took care of it. We also made changes for him like the barn owner was good with switching him to large hay nets so that he pretty much has hay 12/7. I also took him off grain and switched him to hay pellets with a vitamin.

My go to is nexium. There’s a long thread linked on my user card (click my user name and it’ll be there.)

When that doesn’t work, my next step is scoping. Not all ulcers are addressed by a course of a PPI (proton pump inhibitor, gastrogard/ulcergard is this same class) and not all horses respond positively to a low dose of nexium. Sometimes they need a different drug, or a combo of drugs, or a longer course.

But I’ve had pretty stellar results with nexium. It’s cheap, available, and easy to get into them. It’s not a bad place to start. Dose on as much of an empty stomach as possible for best chance of success. I don’t purposefully fast mine, but do target it for when they’re most likely to be empty.

I treat for ulcers at times of stress–moves, big routine changes, or when using other meds that are hard on their belly. It’s pretty easy for a horse to pop with ulcers!

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When you give Nexium for stressful events, do you give 3 a day before, day of, day after and then that’s it?

I don’t really have single day stressful events, so haven’t faced that exact scenario. But ppis take a few days to come into full effect, so I’d likely start 3-4 days prior, then do a brief taper on the other side.

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I recently moved barns and I started the Nexium 3 days before the move. Continued for a 1 week post move. She settled in very well. She groused at her neighbor for a week (no surprise) then seemed at ease and happy (I always see bright eyes and forward ears when I get there).

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