Umbilical stump in 17 day old foal

This is my first foal and I’m a little concerned. My 17 day old filly still has an umbilical stump that’s about 1 to 1 1/2 inches long. I dipped it in betadine solution for the first couple days after birth and it has looked dried up until today. But when she was in turn-out this morning, I think she must’ve torn part of it off because I noticed a little bit of fresh blood on her belly and hind legs and the stump looks “fresh.” I dipped it in betadine again, but is this normal? I’m a little concerned because she had to have plasma at 24 hours and may be slightly immune system compromised. Her IcG level was 412 before the plasma.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!! I have a call in to my vet but since it’s Sunday, I’m not sure when I’ll hear back. Thanks!

I would have it ultrasounded to be sure that you don’t have anything brewing.

I had a filly with a ragged umbilicus in 2005. My vet was not terribly concerned about it - had me continue to dip it and monitor. She was bright and had no temp.

Then one day she spiked a very high fever and went into seizures. It all happened so suddenly. I took her to the clinic where they tried to save her, but her temp (went up to 109) had caused brain damage. We euthanized her the following morning.

Later the post mortem showed a deep abcess behind the umbilicus. Antibiotics at the right time would have probably prevented the whole sad story. Hoping others learn from my experience.

Thank you so much for your response, Mary Lou. My vet called right before you replied and said he wasn’t concerned at this point and just to continue to dip it and make sure the filly is eating and has no temp. After reading about your ordeal, I’m going to call him back and ask him for an ultrasound.

I’m so sorry you lost your foal but thank you for sharing your story.

Ditto on the ultrasound. There may be something else going on INSIDE.

Seriously, the diagnostics are worth it! I’ve had one foal with what looked like a “thickened” umbilical stump end up with an umbilical hernia, which I had surgically repaired. I also had a colt with “patent urachus” where pee was coming out the umbilical stump instead of the penis. Quick diagnosis on both accounts = two healthy happy boys today. :slight_smile:

Thanks everyone for the responses! I can’t believe how much can go wrong with a new foal!!!

They are so fragile. Hoping that you vet does not find anything major. If there is something brewing better to know and address it now that run the risk of having a real crisis. Fingers crossed. Please keep us posted.

Get your Vet out to U/S and take a CBC. Might be an infection. Good luck.

i keep a very close eye on the umbilical stumps and usually every year there is one that gets infected,despite several days of disinfecting the stump after birth

if i notice it with a red tinge or anything unusual i start them on antibiotic powder

i hate hate hate antibiotics for babies and only use them if absolutely necessary but this is one of those times when the can be necessary

you can just start them on antis at home yourself without involving the vet and getting a vet bill on top of everything else

Paulamc

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^^^This.

With my foal that had the patent urachis, I could tell something was wrong in that he was trying to pee way to often. There wasn’t pee coming out of his umbilical stump yet, and he was alert and running around, but I loaded him & mom up and went straight to the clinic anyhow. Once at the clinic, sure enough, urine had started to come out through the stump. We caught it early enough that the foal never even ran a temp or became “sick”.

Don’t take any chances! It’s worth it to take him to the clinic, or at least have the vet out! :slight_smile:

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you can just start them on antis at home yourself without involving the vet and getting a vet bill on top of everything else

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Please, please OP, don’t do this. Antibiotics are not benign, they can have severe consequences in foals, including serious diarrhea. Only your vet can determine if there is an infection, especially if there are no external signs. In addition, your vet is the best person to determine what antibiotic is needed, and at what dosage. Inappropriate antibiotic use is why we have the resistance issues that we see today.

Ditto this - don’t self-medicate a foal. Use medications only on advice of a TRAINED LICENSED VET.

Just like in pediatrics in humans, kids react WAY different to medications than adults do.

Same with foals. They’re bodies are not immunologically developed like an adult. The wrong kind, dose, and length of treatment of antibiotics on a newborn foal can have powerful consequences.

Antibiotics are not specific. They wipe out ALL bacteria sensitive to that kind of antibiotic - both good and bad. Wiping out the good bacteria interfere’s with the foal’s ability to digest the milk from nursing.

Have a vet assess the foal who is experienced with treating foals. An ultrasound, as others suggested, is very helpful to seeing if an infection is brewing, let alone an abscess, which can sometimes happen.

Sometimes, I have had a vet prescribe antibiotics fed to the MOM and thus the foal gets some of the antibiotics through her milk and that has been sufficient for the foal. Other times, the vet will choose to treat the foal directly with an IV dose. Depends what the problem is.

You can tell a problem is brewing long before any fever starts is if you touch the stump and area around the stump (have you hand wet with disinfectant before you touch for cleanliness, and then disinfect stump afterwards) and the foal reacts in pain. Not like a little irritated foot swish that says, “oh you’re tickling me”, but a real swat with the foot or a jump sideways with eyes widened and head up that says, “OUCH! that hurt”. Always better safe than sorry.

Prevention and early treatment = better chances of great results.
No treatment/late treatment/improper treatment = iffy prognosis.

$100 spent for the vet is better and smarter. Good luck with your cutie pie! :slight_smile:

I just wanted to give everyone an update. My vet came out yesterday and did an ultrasound and CBC. He laughed at me for insisting on an ultrasound but agreed that it is better to be safe than sorry, and much better to pay for a farm call than a potential huge hospital bill!! The ultrasound was normal and the bloodwork came back this morning as within normal limits. So, so far so good! The filly is eating well, very energetic, and her umbilical stump is looking more dry with no bleeding.

Thank you everyone for your responses! It is so comforting to have all of you experienced breeders as a resource!!!

Excellent! Hoping all continues well. :yes:

Great news!!! :smiley:

Having been a breeder and farmer for 25 years, if i got the vet for every thing that went wrong i would be broke

If i have a foal with a very red inflamed and / or pussy navel cord then i am going to put it on a broad spectrum antibiotic for foals
I might even ring the vet and discuss it with him and invariably they say start the foal on this or that antibiotic if it is necessary

Just the same if a horse cuts its leg and it does not need stitching, i clean it up, dress it and bandage it myself and start the horse on antibiotics

i simply cannot get the vet on a large farm with alot of different animals for everything that goes wrong, and having been in this game for some time i do have an idea of what is required in each situation

Paulamc