Unbridleds Song

[foundationmare]

Please tell your friend that I have a much less regally bred yearling filly that I will sell to her for 50% OFF of US stud fee! I think she’d make a great eventer!

OTOH, I did work with an US horse all last year who wasn’t much of a racehorse but was a doll to work with (and a colt at that). Good size, chestnut with chrome and a very rakish long forelock that was the piece de resistance on an already gorgeous horse.

Hard to take this seriously EIGHT BELLES, because who the heck would pay that kind of money for an eventing prospect when my colleagues and I have recently placed many low-priced, even free, OTTBs who will go on to very successful careers as eventers?

[Mara]

It’s quite possible that the prospective breeder has no idea about breeding in the racehorse market. Hence the ignorance of the stud fee.

There are other TB stallions who have proven records/bloodlines as far as throwing good eventing stock, and their fees are much lower. That way your friend will have money left over to enter competitions after paying a stud fee and raising a baby to training age.

[EightBelles134]

my friend would…her cousin also just spent about 50-60k(roughly) on an Palomino Thoroughbred as an event prospect

[DickHertz]

[QUOTE=EightBelles134;4569539]
my friend would…her cousin also just spent about 50-60k(roughly) on an Palomino Thoroughbred as an event prospect[/QUOTE]

With all of this money overflowing, why wouldn’t your friend hire the industry’s top consultant instead of pissing it away on the suggested ventures you’ve outlined in this thread?

[EightBelles134]

because she wants an opinion she can trust and she knows i’ve been riding for almost 2 decades.

[MintHillFarm]

[QUOTE=Laurierace;4569217]
I am going to breed my daughter’s shetland pony to AP indy as a surprise Christmas gift.[/QUOTE]

Now that’s a foal I would like to see!

[haligator]

Well…

I gotta ask - I know eventing and eventers. I’ve been either assistant media chief or acting media chief at such events as the Rolex Kentucky CCI****, the Fair Hill International CCI***, the NAYRC CCI**, and the former Foxhall Cup CCI***. Plus, I evented back in ‘the dark ages’ of the 1970s and stay in touch with lots of eventers and dressage riders. Since the 1980s, I’ve written about the sport and the issues of the day.

If your friend really wants a good low level dressage horse or eventer, why wouldn’t she step up and go to someone like Denny Emerson who is a former Eventing World Champion, former chief of USEA, columnist for COTH, former USEF Breeders Committee Chairman (the long year I served in that post was directly after Denny’s tenure), and stands some fine TBs and TB/crosses for both racing and eventing? His stallions are proven and a lot less than $115,000…a whole lot less.

Also, there are tons, literally TONS of OTTBs that make fine eventers (especially the Speak John line) or lower level dressage horses. Why breed? And, if the mare has no black type and not much money won it’s unlikely she would be accepted to an expensive stallion to be bred.

I don’t know one top horsemen in eventing or dressage who would spend $50,000 or $60,000 for a ‘Palomino TB’ eventing PROSPECT - that’s just plain nuts. Occasionally, a questionable trainer will get a ‘new kid’ to spend big bucks but this is certainly not an action to put on your resume as a breeder.

EightBelles - did you have another name on our BB prior to this week? I’m having a hard time knowing if you are, ahem, a troll, or just very ignorant. If you’re trying to impress people on this BB with big numbers like $115,000- the money needs to be a couple of million for most of us to raise an eyebrow. I hate to sound terribly cynical, but you’re questions aren’t adding up…

Hallie

[EightBelles134]

umm i actually just joined the board 2day, and she wants the challenge of raising and training a foal, and as far as her money, she has a pretty sizable trust fund…and the Palomino thoroughbred her cousin bought is real…i have pictures on my cell of him.

[Beandog]

Tell your friend when she gets done spending 115k on a nonracing prospect that I have this really cool bridge for sale. Every other Tuesday it leads to My Little Pony land, the place with music and lollipops and ponies with really nifty colors. Who needs a 50k palomino prospect when you could get a lime green one complete with balloons on her butt? Not to mention when you groom her she smells like cotton candy and bubblegum.

If her trust fund is REALLY big then we might even be talking unicorns or wings.

I can even show you pictures… they’re on my cell phone. It’s totally legit.

winks, thanks for the trip down fantasy land… I’ll just be over there…in the corner…waiting for the phone to ring

[haligator]

Well, welcome to the board. As you can see, we are a group who is not afraid to state opinions!

EightBelles: <<<umm i actually just joined the board 2day, and she wants the challenge of raising and training a foal, and as far as her money, she has a pretty sizable trust fund…and the Palomino thoroughbred her cousin bought is real…i have pictures on my cell of him.>>>

Notice I said ‘top horsemen’ regarding spending money. I can only assume your friend’s cousin is nowhere near the top in eventing. By the way, what sale did she buy this Palomino TB from? What is the horse’s breeding? If she bought it from some unknown trainer there is indeed a sucker born every minute.

And, if you’ve been involved in horses seriously for twenty years I can only hope that you’ve been busy talking your inexperienced friend out of ‘the challenge of raising and training a foal’ because she doesn’t sound by any stretch of the imagination ready.

And, this really isn’t about money or trust funds - I thought you would get that. I don’t care who has money or a trust fund or wants to drizzle away funds on an ill-conceived venture. I care about people who are REAL horsemen and I care about the HORSES then enter this world through idiotic breeding stunts. It just seemed you thought we’d all care about how much Unbridled Song costs to breed to, but if the mare is not black type it’s unlikely she will get near him.

I’ve bred to some nice horses in my day (including River Keen, Fastness, and Malibu Moon who’s got terrific race and sporthorse breeding). But, I don’t breed anymore because I believe we have too many horses in the world. You can’t breed because of your ego…

I’ll be real here, I’m usually much nicer than this but my ‘nice’ got fried this past week. So, I have to be honest with you instead of vaguely nice. I’m sure you are a decent human being and are kind to animals. You’re just coming off as being very naive.

Hallie (usually nicer)

[LaurieB]

Well I posted two earlier replies but now that more information has been given it’s become very easy to condense my thoughts into a shorter answer: tell your friend to strike Unbridleds Song off her list. He’s a very popular and very busy racehorse sire; there’s no way her mare would be accepted into his (almost full) book.

It’s not about the money. There are plenty of top racemares and racehorse producers standing in line to breed to UBS. There’s no way that TM would give up a spot in his book to someone who hopes to someday maybe have an eventer.

[haligator]

Beandog…

Beandog! Can I join you in the corner waiting for the phone to ring? I think that sounds about right where I need to be…

Hallie

[Barnfairy]

@Beandog;4569648

Who needs a 50k palomino prospect when you could get a lime green one complete with balloons on her butt? Not to mention when you groom her she smells like cotton candy and bubblegum.

Does said prospect also subsist entirely upon gummy worms, and fart out butterflies?

[EightBelles134]

actually he really exists…and there are people out there willing to spend that kind of money

[EightBelles134]

if you look on Darren Chiacchia’s site he has horses for sale that are priced at 150k+

[Laurierace]

My daughter is going to be crushed! They wouldn’t let me breed my shetland pony to AP Indy because she was too ugly. I don’t think she is ugly, do you? Here is the closest thing I have to a confo critique.

[AppJumpr08]

[QUOTE=EightBelles134;4570359]
if you look on Darren Chiacchia’s site he has horses for sale that are priced at 150k+[/QUOTE]

True. But those are upper level horses. And horses that are already in training. Paying for a stud fee is not a promise of anything. And spending 100k+ on a stud fee for a lower level prospect does make people’s eyebrows go up… Once the mare care and foal care is paid for, and your friend has paid for the foal to make it to 4 years old, she’ll have WAY more than 115k into the resulting foal… with no guarantee of even getting a lower level prospect.

[AppJumpr08]

And no, I don’t know why I’m trying to be rational about this… it’s before my first cup of coffee…
That’s a shame about AP Indy! I’m sure the foal would’ve been… interesting

[Vesper_Sparrow]

Why not get a deserving CANTER horse or go to the yearling sales? I have a coming 5 year old US grandson who is smart, sweet and very fancy (and slow as molasses in January) and who went for $1,600 at Keeneland… He’s got a fair bit of jumping and dressage talent and low-level dressage and eventing should not be a problem. That’s 1/100th the cost of a US mating… which you can spend on training instead!

[DickHertz]

I talked to the people at Taylor Made. They said, they’d accept your friend’s mare. Give them a call.