Update! Front foot lameness

This is a bit of a long story so bear with me!

Background:
7 yo thoroughbred never raced that I purchased as 3 year old. At 3 he had a front right foot “lameness”. You could barely classify as a lameness just would take a NQR step every now and then going to the right only around a turn. Vet came out, pulled one of his shoe nails, and he was sound immediately. At 4 he had significant front right foot lameness. (At this point we had moved from Syracuse to the hudson valley area so new barn new vet) Vet comes out and blocks foot and does rads. Diagnosed with pedal osteitis. Added front pads that elevated his frog and had about 2 weeks off and completely sound after that.

Current issue:
He’s been home and not doing much work for the last two years. I finally got fed up with the farrier we’ve had since he kept loosing shoes and never did this with any other farrier when he was boarded. I really love the new farrier. I think his feet have never looked better and he’s never moved better. He pulled the toe back which changed his breakover and now he’s really able to use himself much nicer. Well a week after this new farrier did him he became lame in the front right. Same issue as before only lame to the right while going around a turn. Farrier came out and pulled a nail. I gave him a week off and when I rode again he was fine. Until the next ride he was off but not as much. So a week ago the farrier pulled the shoe. He had a sore sole when the farrier came out the first time and still did so we both agreed there was too much padding (dental impression stuff? plus leather pad) causing too much pressure on his sole so removed some of the padding. He got another week off after this. Lunged on Thursday - sound. Rode this morning. Still NQR but seemed to improve as my ride went on. I did about 30 minutes of walking and maybe 5 minutes total of trotting. This all started about 4 weeks ago. He’s always been 100% sound if I lunge him. This past week that he had off I’ve been icing his front right every night for 20-30 minutes and started him on buteless supplement.

So when I lunge him I put him in the round pen I have on my property with side reins. The footing is grass/dirt. He’s always sound, calm, and comfortable in the round pen walk, trot, canter both directions for about 20-30 minutes. I really love how his fitness has improved with the round pen work and how well he’s tracking up and using his hind end.

When I ride I have to walk 15 minutes on the road to get to the barn up the street whose ring I use.

The Question:
So my actual question is this. Could this be something else besides just front right soreness? What causes a horse to be lame when riden but not when lunged? He is not back sore. I just massaged his back thursday and he had no tenderness. He’s moving so well to the left when I ride I have a hard time believing it could be anything but the front right.

My theory as of this morning:
The 15 minute walk on paved road is just enough to make his foot a little ouchy (he’s a big baby) which is why he’s off when I ride but fine when worked in the round pen. I should mention that previously he was in plastic shoes which I liked but don’t quite fit his feet right which is why he’s back in metal shoes. I think the plastic shoes absorbed a lot more of the road impact than the metal shoes do.

What say you? Does my road theory sound right? Or does it sound like there is something else going on?

I’d put him in a more supportive pad setup. The symptoms fit still with pedal osteitis. Leather pads aren’t really good enough for that. Have you done any follow up rads for that?

Its a leather pad but underneath is like a softer version of a pour in pad. I don’t think we can provide any more support than that. I haven’t done any more rads. That may be the next step

Dental impression material often causes soreness and is not very supportive of the sole. A plastic pad would provide more support. Complete pour in pad would be best at reducing concussion. More rads would give you a better picture of the current status as far a step P3 bone quality and sole depth.

I have been fortunate in that I have not had to deal with an issue like this so I am just stabbing in the dark here. But would a hoof boot be a consideration? i,e Easy Boot, Cavallo, etc. Some of them have extra shock absorbing padding that you can use/replace as needed and the horse goes barefoot when not being used. There are pros and cons to most everything horse and needs are different as well. This is not a cheap experiment but you can often find boots on ebay or craigslist for less.

Could be that he’s prone to sole soreness and the footing in the arena is less forgiving than the footing in the round pen. I have a big Hanoverian gelding who is prone to sore soles after shoeing . Vets have also diagnosed sore front heels . I tried pads last summer when up in NY but they made him worse (too much pressure on the soles I think) . For the past few months I’ve been packing his front feet daily with Magic Cushion for about a week after he’s shod and so far (knock on wood!!) it seems to be helping. We also adjusted his feet to lessen pressure on his heels – but pads can be problematic in Florida anyway and since he’s had issues with pads before we’re staying away from them.

This is interesting. I’m also starting to think these pads just aren’t working out for us. He has been totally sound since January when I started him back in work until these new shoes and pads got put on and I think he just isn’t happy with them. Even though we lessened the padding he’s the type of horse to be very obvious when something feels better and we’re just not getting there.

Very possible. If the round pen is grass/dirt (nothing to sink into) then there won’t be much if any added sole pressure. But if the arena down the road has softer footing that the hoof can sink into, that could be enough sole pressure to make a difference.

My horse will show the same thing if he’s unhappy with the padding – sounder on firmer ground, uncomfortable in the soft sand. He is very particular, and does well with very a soft gel pour-in pad and nothing covering it.

Here’s an interesting hardness study on silicone hoof packing:

http://soundhorse.com/technical-articles/hoof-packing/silicone-packings-hardness-study/

Ok maybe I wasn’t imagining this today then! I swear while we were walking the road he felt so much better than in the ring. Even at just a walk he didn’t feel that good. I had been thinking about it in reverse that the hard ground was making it worse. But all in all he was fine with both the ring and the road before the new shoes so I really think it comes down to him just not liking these new pads. Mine is so particular too. With everything. And he really lets me know when he doesn’t like something

I had a horse with a history of pedal osteitis who did not tolerate sole pressure. Thus many types of pads/packing materials did not work. Horse had a host of other problems in addition.

He’s previously gone really well in an elevated frog pad. Since I know that works (from 2 farriers ago) were going to switch to that. I think like your horse he just really can’t handle the sole pressure

Skipper went in frog support pads, which sounds like what you used on your horse. The frog part is thicker on one side. These happened to be green. There was also something about using a certain type of packing for him to be comfortable.

So he got new shoes with frog support pads on Monday. I worked him in the round pen a couple days as he’s bursting with energy from being rested. I noticed he was starting to lower his head and stretch down a bit and yesterday he was stretching his head down to the ground at the trot both directions! This is something he hasn’t done ever so he really seems to be liking these shoes. I rode him this morning in the softer ring footing and he was totally sound! A bit on edge mentally which I’m sure will take a little time to get over. After all every time he stepped foot in the ring for the last month it hurt. I got the big black ice boot and have been icing for half an hour to an hour every night and I think that has helped with an lingering soreness from the previous pad set up. And today happens to be my birthday - a sound horse is the best present I could ask for!

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Good news. Get yourself a birthday present – some Back On Track bell boots for your horse!

https://backontrackproducts.com/Horse-Products/Horse-Knee-Hock-Bell-Boots/Therapeutic-Bell-Boots-p316.html

:slight_smile:

Ok I bought these years ago but stopped using them recently because I feel it negates the effect of icing his hoof which I do in the evening. I used to put the BOT bell boots on every night though couldn’t honestly tell if I noticed any difference. So not sure to use them now or not…

Do you have any pictures of the frog support pads? Glad they seem to be working!