Updated barisone lawsuit 10/29/21 post 851

I disagree with your assessment.

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Hm. Did LKā€™s actions bring this about? Perhaps, but the whole story is all over the place. However, MB was the one who had a gun and pulled the trigger. He shot at two people with the intention to kill them. No matter how annoying, ridiculous or crazy a person is (in your mind - or in general), you canā€™t just shoot them.

Sure we all have our breaking point, but there are those of us who shoot people and those of us who donā€™t. Those that do deserve consequence, mental help, and to be separated from society (maybe not permanently, idk).

Can I see how or understand how MB reached this point? Perhaps. That doesnā€™t justify, allow, or encourage the actions he took though. Thatā€™s what some people canā€™t separate. You can understand the why but not agree with, approve of, or justify the why.

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As I read this (and the other) discussion(s) on this topic I often wonder how different this part of the world would be If LKā€™s father put half the energy into helping LK learn about being a person who better fits into society and less time making excuses and fixing the mayhem.

On the whole topic of - how dare you site the local laws about contractors, they are racist and prevent day laborers from working - Let us ignore the whole fact that all laws make something difficult for someone.
I believe the point of laws like that is to provide protection for the consumer. One of the most important parts of laws like that is the requirement for insurance.
Day laborers are not restricted from working for/under a licenses contractor, so the day laborers can still work, while their boss has a license and insurance.
And the day laborer spewing does not really apply in this case anyway. No one drives down to the corner and asks the waiting day laborers if any of them do drywall and electrical wiring.

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I failed mind reading in school so I am glad you did so well with it to know what he was thinking at the time.

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Erm, thanks for the snark? :sweat_smile:

I mean, he shot someone multiple times, close range, center mass, how is that not intending to kill someone? Ok, purposely firing at the ground or their knee cap, that may not be with the intent to kill, exactly.

Idk, I canā€™t see how someone fires a gun at a person in this manner without the intent to kill in that moment.

Edit: weird mind reading statements aside, those are just my thoughts on the matter. You donā€™t have to agree. Iā€™m not stating it as fact because itā€™s obvious I donā€™t live (or want to live) in MBā€™s mind. Itā€™s just how I feel about shooting at someone in such a manner.

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While we are theorizing there is always the option that in a physical fight one is not aiming, so maybe in their mind they were shooting at a knee cap but it is hard to aim for the knee cap while someone is beating the crap out of you.

Or, there is also the option that hitting oneā€™s target is not as easy as the movies make it out to be. (This is so a fact, says me who from time to time goes target shooting.) Especially for someone who has never practiced. Maybe the target was the ground and his aim sucks.
It makes me think of so many people when I watch First 48. Kids who shoot and kill people who are insisting they were just trying to scare that person.

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Question for actual legal people: I know in some types of cases, prior bad acts are not admissible. Would they be here?

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Possibly. I donā€™t know the details of the altercation. I am not sure if the fight took place before, during, and/or after people were shot/shot at. No idea about his level of firearm skills either.

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If they are working in/on my property, you better believe Iā€™m hiring licensed and insured.

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So where does this mythical unlicensed ā€œday laboerā€ acquire the tools and equipment needed to do a variety of contractor jobs?

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Yaā€™ll remember YD? Can we PLEEEEEASE ignore IM???

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MB had a large standing safe in his office, the safe had many firearms in it.
He was experienced with guns.
I donā€™t know if he still had the safe and the guns at the time of the shooting.
Before anyone asks how I know, Iā€™ll answer.
I boarded and trained with MB for multiple years. I left about 4 years before the shooting and before LK came to train with him.

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General comment.

See how easy that is? No need to call the other person names, accuse them of being a nutjob or a fan girl, etc, etc.

Ok, carry on. I just felt the need to point that out. :slight_smile:

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If thatā€™s the case, and his intention was actually to shoot them and kill them, it seems even more odd that he did such a poor job of it.

Iā€™m still amazed by the number of people who think they know exactly what happened that day before hearing any of the evidence presented at the trial.

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Or why RC gave him her gun to use, he could have used his own.

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That, too.

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I donā€™t know how this particular jurisdiction and this judge swings. But to offer an example weā€™ve all seen TV shows where thereā€™s a rape case and the first thing the defense does is the ā€œshe was asking for it because she went to the rock starā€™s hotel room after the concert, drunk and wearing a miniskirt and thigh high bootsā€ defense.

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For MB, no, they are not supposed to be because they prejudice juries.

For witnesses, fair game in order to establish/attack credibility. That is why one of the witnesses didnā€™t make it to the Kenosha trial. The prosecution didnā€™t want the defense to be questioning the person on trial for arson. It is also why LK has probably not been charged with anything in connection with the tapes. It would tank her credibility even more than all the posting on SM.

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Iā€™m not sure weā€™re certain of the bold items.
Recent comments from people ā€œin the knowā€ make me wonder.

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And could have done so any time, when it wasnā€™t daylight, with clients and CPS in the barn.
I mean, thatā€™s some serious stupidā€¦

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