Updated barisone lawsuit 10/29/21 post 851

[BrendaJane]

from what I gather, if one shoots a 9mm Ruger up close to center mass, the target is pretty much dead.

As I understand it MB has no recollection of the event. The info about it stems from the other two actors and does not seem to be consistent.
So without knowing forensics, and basically taking the credibility (or lack thereof) of the ‘witnesses’ into account, it seems unlikely MB showed up guns blazing.

The described turn of events makes no sense to me, and I wonder if MB even had the gun as he confronted LK and RG.
With all the snippets of information (and perhaps too much exposure to L&O and my vivid imagination), I wonder if the two ‘victims’ did not indeed have the weapon, and MB reacted in a sort of ‘oh crap’ moment.
Conjecture, of course.

[cutter99]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@cutter99

If you pay someone to haul your horse, yes, that can throw the hauler into a commercial category. Just ask your insurance company or check with state or federal departments of transportation.

Not only are you expected to have a certain education for commercial hauling, but you also must have a commercial license and insurance.

This is why I do not haul for others!

I’m not talking about hauling with a semi that requires a CDL. I’m talking about friends who have a regular drivers license, regular vehicle insurance, a F150 and a two horse trailer. Is the friend violating the law by hauling a horse to a show and I insist on paying for gas?

I am not talking about hauling with a semi that requires a CDL either. There are loose and fast terms that define commercial, and it does not even mean “for compensation or profit” in some states.

If your friend with the F-150 and two horse trailer has an accident and your horse is killed, maimed, or injured, the friend’s insurance company is probably not going to pay it if there has been any exchange of money.

If my truck and 3 horse LQ trailer are over 26,000 lbs. going down the road, in certain states, that is considered commercial.

https://equispirit.com/info/articles/federal-regulations-for-trailers.htm

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I now find out that the DIY move with the help of your friends is illegal.

Wait, what??

I’ve never hired a mover in my life. Is it illegal to help your friends move? Or is it only illegal if you pay them? What about if you just pay for the pizza? Lol.

[LexInVA]

In Jersey, all acts are considered legal, when pizza is involved.

[cutter99]

@LexInVA

In Jersey, all acts are considered legal, when pizza is involved.

Even if it really, really good pizza, unlike what is here in the South???

[Sdel]

@BrendaJane

As I understand it MB has no recollection of the event. The info about it stems from the other two actors and does not seem to be consistent.
So without knowing forensics, and basically taking the credibility (or lack thereof) of the ‘witnesses’ into account, it seems unlikely MB showed up guns blazing.

The whole, LK isn’t mad and will “help” with the sentencing if MB will turn on MH argument adds on a whole other level of suspicion. The only way to affect the sentencing now is to affect the charges…which can only be done with new evidence or changed testimony. The state is running this now. They aren’t going to give him a lighter sentence on her “pretty please”. Not only that, turning on MH would actually open him up to more charges l, not less.

[eggbutt]

@Sdel

@BrendaJane

As I understand it MB has no recollection of the event. The info about it stems from the other two actors and does not seem to be consistent.
So without knowing forensics, and basically taking the credibility (or lack thereof) of the ‘witnesses’ into account, it seems unlikely MB showed up guns blazing.

The whole, LK isn’t mad and will “help” with the sentencing if MB will turn on MH argument adds on a whole other level of suspicion. The only way to affect the sentencing now is to affect the charges…which can only be done with new evidence or changed testimony. The state is running this now. They aren’t going to give him a lighter sentence on her “pretty please”. Not only that, turning on MH would actually open him up to more charges l, not less.

But, but they know EVERYTHING!

I really can’t imagine how these grifters think they will “destroy” MHG with their illegal tapes and testimony. If they had anything significant on MHG, the State of NJ would have already done it. MHG’s reputation versus LK’s is far superior in every way. Just my thoughts on the subject.

[Sdel]

@CanteringCarrot

I think there is a general consensus here that the rest of us are just speculating, tossing around “what ifs” and visiting varying perspectives.

Not saying I know the specifics…but to me, all the general elements and motivations are pretty transparent….

[SierraMist]

To suggest another scenario as to RG’s work, and this is simply a guess. What if the 50k was a barter situation? The basement had been flooded by busted pipes over the winter, all the drywall, woodwork, etc. had to be replaced and painted. RG did or was going to do the work in exchange for rent, board, lessons and training for 4 or 5 horses for x amount of time. LK felt that the agreement was that MB would be the trainer/instructor, but MB put her off on the assistant instructor. LK resented that and felt it wasn’t a fair exchange. They had words about it, resentment growing on both sides. Then everything came to a boiling point with disagreements and ridiculousness from both sides and everything got completely out of hand in just a few days. LK needed to move but there was the issue of work and materials already furnished by RG that MB needed to reimburse if they were leaving the farm. Then more disagreements over the amount, etc. MB had made an insurance claim based on RG’s work estimate, he received the insurance check, then things fell apart. MB wanted them out but refused to pay for any of the work in lieu of the original barter agreement. Both parties consulted attorneys to figure out a settlement, MB wanted them to sign a new agreement for partial reimbursement (the papers he was insisting they sign), LK and RG didn’t think that was a fair amount and wouldn’t sign, more drama ensued. MB couldn’t contain his impatience and temper. Insults and accusations were flying from all parties. If the basement had living quarters with no emergency outside egress, I could see that being in violation of code and no one would be allowed to live down there, not that the work was subpar. That doesn’t explain all the other drama, and certainly no excuse for MB to shoot anyone no matter how tense the situation. Nor any excuse to even take a gun to threaten them. If he felt he needed a gun for self defense, then he shouldn’t have driven down to the house. Poor communication and negotiating skills from all parties that lead to the final outcome. Again, had the gun not been involved, it would have simply been a messy barn drama that few people would ever had heard about.

If MB used to have several guns, and he was having financial problems, it’s plausible that he sold his guns and that’s why he ended up using RC’s gun, instead of his own, to shoot them.

[Angela_Freda]

Exactly what I started to wonder, after the comment posted about RC not keeping track of her gun… I’m not going to be able to find that post but it was on this thread, in the last week.

If they were snooping everywhere (kids rooms/cat boxes), who’s to say they didn’t have it the whole time…

[Knights_Mom]

@SierraMist

To suggest another scenario as to RG’s work, and this is simply a guess. What if the 50k was a barter situation? The basement had been flooded by busted pipes over the winter, all the drywall, woodwork, etc. had to be replaced and painted. RG did or was going to do the work in exchange for rent, board, lessons and training for 4 or 5 horses for x amount of time. LK felt that the agreement was that MB would be the trainer/instructor, but MB put her off on the assistant instructor. LK resented that and felt it wasn’t a fair exchange. They had words about it, resentment growing on both sides. Then everything came to a boiling point with disagreements and ridiculousness from both sides and everything got completely out of hand in just a few days. LK needed to move but there was the issue of work and materials already furnished by RG that MB needed to reimburse if they were leaving the farm. Then more disagreements over the amount, etc. MB had made an insurance claim based on RG’s work estimate, he received the insurance check, then things fell apart. MB wanted them out but refused to pay for any of the work in lieu of the original barter agreement. Both parties consulted attorneys to figure out a settlement, MB wanted them to sign a new agreement for partial reimbursement (the papers he was insisting they sign), LK and RG didn’t think that was a fair amount and wouldn’t sign, more drama ensued. MB couldn’t contain his impatience and temper. Insults and accusations were flying from all parties. If the basement had living quarters with no emergency outside egress, I could see that being in violation of code and no one would be allowed to live down there, not that the work was subpar. That doesn’t explain all the other drama, and certainly no excuse for MB to shoot anyone no matter how tense the situation. Nor any excuse to even take a gun to threaten them. If he felt he needed a gun for self defense, then he shouldn’t have driven down to the house. Poor communication and negotiating skills from all parties that lead to the final outcome. Again, had the gun not been involved, it would have simply been a messy barn drama that few people would ever had heard about.

If MB used to have several guns, and he was having financial problems, it’s plausible that he sold his guns and that’s why he ended up using RC’s gun, instead of his own, to shoot them.

Barter situations are still monetary compensation.

[Sdel]

@SierraMist

To suggest another scenario as to RG’s work, and this is simply a guess. What if the 50k was a barter situation? The basement had been flooded by busted pipes over the winter, all the drywall, woodwork, etc. had to be replaced and painted. RG did or was going to do the work in exchange for rent, board, lessons and training for 4 or 5 horses for x amount of time.

Statements elsewhere say otherwise.

The parents were paying full board for 2 horses and 1/2 price for a 3rd. Housing was thrown in for having 3 horses. No real mention of what the actual agreement was for the work that was done other than that it had been ongoing for two years and RG was owed 50k for it.

As for who LK lessened with…she was a 1st level rider when she showed up. It is entirely plausible that her primary instructor was the assistant trainer while MB only gave occasional check in lessons to LK and trained the horses.

[BrendaJane]

yes, I read the cryptic post as well, a couple of weeks back and it seemed to click into place and make more sense than all other scenarios combined.

[Sdel]

Another reminder….the warrant associated with RC was recalled within 2 hours of being issued. It also lists the date of the incident as 2 days before the shooting.

[Angela_Freda]

@Sdel

No real mention of what the actual agreement was for the work that was done other than that it had been ongoing for two years

I didn’t think they’d been there that long?

[seahorse]

I trained with him in both places.

[ohnoO]

IIRC, RG was remodeling a bathroom and I ASSUMED (yeah, I know) that was the subject of the shoddy work/bad inspection report.

Also, IIRC, RG worked for one of those “we will remodel your bath in one day” companies when they lived in NC.

That was tens of thousands of posts ago, so I could very well be mis-remembering.

[Sdel]

@Angela_Freda

I didn’t think they’d been there that long?

I’m just repeating the claims. It’s not my fault if the math doesn’t add up.

[Angela_Freda]

One horse at half price because MB was broke?
That sounds like some backwards math…
And one horse boarded at half price and two at full price… that’s only three horses. Not five. 🤦

[Sdel]

Just want to point something else out….for 2 years of remodeling, 50k seems like a low number…