Just out of interest (and because things are different prices in different countries) do you know roughly how much it would cost to board a horse at MBs facility per month - and would this include lessons, or are they a price per lesson on top of that? I’m just wondering how much is considered fair to spend on your horses to get free accommodation for two humans in a decent home at the same facility for a prolonged period of time. This may have been asked and answered down thread, or in another thread, but I can’t recall the answer.
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Could be. I just thought it was an odd thing to focus on and wondered if he suspected/knew there were surveillance devices hidden in the smoke detector housings. (I know of another situation completely unrelated to this one where that was actually the case.)
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This is probably the most accurate scenario. How many times has LK crowed that it was all on his side of the house and barn and not her apartment? You know, the place where MB is not and so doesn’t need to be bugged. Then she also crowed that they hadn’t been “found” fast enough.
ETA: Trip down logic lane… if MB is pulling out the wiring to the smoke detectors to find recording devices, then he wasn’t doing it to harass her/run her off, unless you consider removing the devices and denying the ability to record is the harassment.
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See, usually when I prove someone doesn’t know what they are talking about several times in a row, I stop believing what they say.
The prosecution having a statement from RC doesn’t jive with the tone of all the statements that have been made concerning RC. For one, if they had a statement from RC on the gun that would in theory have covered the “plot” to kill (which IM says there isn’t enough evidence of) and MB would have more charges and MH would have new ones.
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Not believing what IM states is a totally legitimate position.
But leave aside whether IM claimed the DA has the statement.
MB has been charged with two counts of attempted murder and the gun recovered at the scene is not registered to him. Forget IM exists. How could the police/DA not follow up and question the owner of the gun? I 100% believe the DA has a sworn statement from the gun owner/RC, but not because IM said so. Wanting such a statement explains why an arrest warrant was issued for RC.
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They can follow up all they want, but if no one fesses up to ownership what can they do? If there is no registration paperwork linking the serial number of the gun (or no serial number on the gun itself) to one of the parties they can’t definitely say it belongs to anyone.
Also, still does not explain the lack of connection to the “plotting”. If the DA had RC on gun charges and wanted to charge on the conspiracy, why not force the admissions on the conspiracy in order to drop the charges?
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I do not describe anyone I like as a POS, so I admit I am once again confused by the statements that LK does not hate MB.
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And she wanted him to serve the full 80 years…or some such essentially life sentence.
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My father used to say that he knew his toast was done ‘when the smoke detector went off.’
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Oh, OK. I had been assuming the gun was registered. If it was a registered gun, the police would follow up with the owner (whether the owner was RC or someone else), and obtain a statement.
If the gun was unregistered, I totally get your point.
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In northern NJ, training board for a BNT (Olympian) in 2015 (just pulled the invoice) I paid $3500 per month full training board.
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I thought that IM said that LK still likes MB, but now he’s a “murdering POS.”
ETA: Oops, trubandloki beat me to it.
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No, IM suggested that LK doesn’t blame MB and will offer something to lessen his sentence if he’ll rat out MH on conspiracy charges. Something you would think the DA would have had RC do while they were getting statements in exchange for “dropping her gun charges” since she was part of the plot, and they didn’t have enough on the tapes to charge her for it even though they wanted to, and gave MB her gun for the commission of the plot…
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That idea certainly seems at odds with her rather lengthy post last night.
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We just had the same great thought! 
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Let’s review IM’s actual statements shall we:
“I believe RC was arrested and charged with a felony although NJ may not be as interested in seriously pursuing charges against out of staters who bring their guns to NJ as one might think. I can’t say if she will be a witness but she is represented by counsel.”
So, charged with a felony….
Doesn’t know if she’ll be a witness? Doesn’t make sense if as claimed they have a signed statement about the gun in exchange for dropping charges? That would be obligating her as a witness for the prosecution.
Yes, she has counsel….for the civil suit under which LK is suing her.
“If she gave him her gun (she 1000% did) then she clearly didn’t notice any mental breakdown going on with MB…that’s a problem for the defense.”
“Despite her relationship with MB she could very well make a deal and become a prosecution witness.”
This is a future tense statement. So, it hasn’t happened yet? The trial is in February, tick tick. And I thought they knew it was her gun.
Now compare to:
“RC is 70+ and has had recent heart surgery. Probably not going to jail…nor should she. There’s great stuff on the audio tapes ( horrifying, actually) but RC was not part of the “get rid of LK” discussions.”
Felony charges, not going to jail, still haven’t agreed to a deal to become a prosecution witness?
“She has no obligation to assess MB’s mental state but given her professional experience it would be fair for the prosecution for ask if she noticed anything “off” with MB.”
So….
ETA: forgot these:
“ LK and I are referring to different audios. RC was clearly not part of the audios before she was summoned to the barn and was clearly not there when MHG told MB to “wait one more day…RC will be here tomorrow.” Audios after RC arrived…that’s different…and I’m not at liberty to discuss.”
We’ll surely if she was part of the planning, like LK claims, they filled her in on the details. Also, the statements attributed to MH are repeats of what LK has said previously and are so generic they could really refer to anything. Maybe even the grocery shopping…
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I’m curious as to why there were charges filed about the gun before the fateful day. How did the gun come to the attention of authorities before the shooting?
I’m guessing there are plenty of illegal guns in NJ, what got this one noticed?
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Since I’m quoting:
“LK has made her feelings clear to MB’s attorneys. She does not want MB off but I don’t believe it’ll make her feel good if he gets the 20+ years he will likely get if found guilty on both counts. I believe, however, if MB came clean about MHG’s role (which I promise you will come out sooner or later (think 48 Hours)…THERE ARE TAPES… that she would be extremely helpful to MB at sentencing.”
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It’s possible that it is a typo. But it is also possible the gun was mentioned to/noticed by one of the officers on one of the many 911 responses before the shooting. The claim is that RC was sleeping with it under a pillow in the barn aisle. Some of those calls were late enough she could have already set up for the night.
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I am curious about the recordings. For them to be used in court, from my understanding, they would have to be authenticated and then likely the defense would have their own expert question the validity of the recordings. AI voice replicating software has as much as 85-90% accuracy these days. (Not saying it was used but I would think it would have to be ruled out for court purposes)
If there was a threat/plot to murder people with someone crossing state lines to possibly participate, would local police be handling it? Wouldn’t the Feds step in at some point?
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