Updated: MSM? Need supplement system reccs

Any options besides SmartPak and Platinum Performance for pre measured supplements? Or a supplier of a custom blend all in one bucket? Figured I’d ask before I order SmartPaks. I’m currently in a situation where I’m not able to reliably mix up my normal Tupperware containers and get them to the barn in a timely fashion.

What my horse needs:
Copper
Zinc
Salt
Vitamin E
Biotin

Wants:
Omega 3 supplement
Magnesium

His current diet: 5.5 lbs daily of Triple Crown Senior, free choice Bermuda hay, one flake alfalfa hay. He has all day turnout on grass, but it’s mostly dead now.

Thanks!

HorseTech is wonderful to work with and they do custom blends.

https://horsetech.com/

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Thank you!

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HorseTech is great and may already basically have a blend in their system that has what you want. And most of theirs are flax based, so you get omegas too.

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Good to know! Thank you!

Uckele is another who may do a custom mix like that.

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Thanks! I’ll check them out too!

Yes to HorseTech! Family business for over 20 years. Almost everything is in a stabilized, food-grade base of ground flax. Rod, the owner, really knows his stuff as they say. His hand-signed holiday good wishes card was in my order last week, along with the usual cookies. There was a shortage last spring. I missed them, but they are back. Shipping is free. Customer service is unsurpassed.

When my vet recommended a joint supplement I passed on Cosequin and sent Rod a detailed email. He recommended Hylasport CTS which has soft tissue support. He included a separate container of liquid silica because bioavailability is not very good when it is in a dry-powder form. It’s in a bottle that’s easy to measure. My aging gelding has loosened up.

My horse tested at the top end for selenium. I added grain with selenium to HorseTech’s Vitamin E & selenium which I had used for several years. I called Rod. He called back. He looked up Maine on the online selenium map. It’s low here, but near-normal around Bangor. Where I lived was important. He checked the grain manufacturer’s website and recomputed serving sizes in the same units. He recommended switching to natural Vit E because the grain was sufficient. I asked him about mixing the E/Selenium with the plain E. I had recently opened a new container. A couple of pounds of natural E came a few days later, no charge. If you dump them together in one bucket they don’t mix well. I combined enough when I did my baggies.

There are so many choices in supplements these days. A lot of people are mixing various brands together and the nutritional balance often winds up out of whack for things you aren’t supplementing. I knew selenium is low around here but it didn’t occur to me that I could give him too much. In the case of selenium it could be catastrophic.

FWIW I love their saddle soap!

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That’s very helpful info about the selenium. I noted that many supplements they offered had added selenium and I was concerned with overdosing! Thank you

I’m talking with Rod at HorseTech and he says he hasn’t had any requests for extra sulfur and suggested MSM (36% sulfur) as a possible substitution. I’ve not used MSM much myself, but I see one of the human benefits is supposedly skin support. This is the primary reason I feed sulfur to my horse.

I hear many horses are reactive on MSM. I’m not keen on having an explosive 1400 lbs critter smushing the staff (or myself). Anyone ever figure out what part of MSM causes the sillies?

My gelding gets MSM for inflammation and joint mobility. No issues with behavior.

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Cool. Further talks with HorseTech and we have decided to skip the MSM / sulfur for now

For posterity: the folks at HorseTech are super helpful

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IME that’s a pretty uncommon reaction. SOOOOOO many horses are on MSM with only benefits.

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That’s good to know. Perhaps it’s one of those things where I just hear the bad stories. I’ve decided to skip the MSM regardless. I’m not supplementing for joint health at this time and I’m willing to forego the sulfur in my regular concoction in order to try the HorseTech product. I’m hoping the quote doesn’t give me sticker shock. Thanks so much!

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The cookies are what keep me coming back

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Truth.

MSM is a baseline supp for every performance horse I have owned in the past 2 decades because of its effect on lactic acid levels. That’s a small small sample size, but MSM is ubiquitous, if it cause a problem in even a small percent of the population, you would hear about it more than the one off anecdotal references. That said, I’m sure there is a horse that doesn’t do well on it. But far more do well on it, so try it and if you hit the minority jackpot, remove it!

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Cookies are important

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That’s good to know! Thanks for sharing! My horse lives on easy street, I’m fairly certain he’s not working up enough lactic acid to trouble him. But should we begin to work more vigorously I’ll certainly keep MSM in mind!

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Nicole at Custom Equine Nutrition is wonderful too and her Vermont Blend might cover everything you’re looking for in a supplement. Except the vitamin E.

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