Urgent Death Row Dogs in NYC - Adopt to Northeast area

[dkcbr]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8620750]
There are a zillion places that don’t allow pets , simply rent a place that does not allow pets and no worries. I’d worry far more about who my neighbors are than what kind of dogs they own. I had to live next door to dangerous neighbors at two places I owned ( in so called good neighborhoods). Let alone who is living next door in a rental…some landlords screen better than others and some people pass a bg check but are still nuts ( or loud and disruptive) [/QUOTE]

Personally, I wouldn’t rent a place that didn’t allow pets at this point in my life. If I did, I would have to give up my three large dogs.

The fear of a dog bite is way out of proportion and often happens by by a person being careless, petting a dog they dont’ know, allowing a child to run up to it etc.

Yes, and it’s one more example that many of us are clueless in dealing with another species!

I will say there is a problem with dog on dog aggression, pit bulls and any breed. But pits seem to do more serious damage but not always, dog on dog aggression can get very nasty no matter the breed. That’s a natural instinct with dogs so have no idea how to solve it as dogs are out in public and must pass each other on street, in yards etc unlike pet cats who mostly live indoors or stay in a small area near their own house.

I handle the passing thing by getting and keeping my dogs’ attention, preferably on the side away from the other dog. Sometimes I even move off the sidewalk or path. I worry that it seems rude, but oh well. And life would all be so much easier if everyone understood attention training and not letting their dogs invade everyone else’s space. :no:

[khall]

The rescues that I have worked with who adopt out a bully will do their due diligence in checking out the potential adopters. House checks, references etc and will take the dog back at any time.

Dog on dog aggression is a problem with many dogs, regardless of size. Training for attention, training with distractions is a very important part of working with most dogs. I have a pit bull type dog foster right now, her best bud is my 28 lb terrier mix, they play well if hard together.

[Countrywood]

My otherwise lovely golden mix who I adopted at his age of 6 turned out to have serious dog on dog aggression (great with people, kids, my cat). He has good reason for it ( was mauled when dumped on street by former owners in a dog pack attack on him, so severe he has eye and ear damage)

I don’t have time/resources to ever train or condition him out of it so I just keep him away from other dogs and carry a ball thrower as preventative stick if any dog is loose/comes near when I walk him. You would never think it to look at him, looks like a golden teddy bear but sadly due to his history, can switch in an instant. Which shows one can’t always tell by looking at a dog.

So many smaller dogs bite people more frequently but the damage is rarely serious so it is under reported.

[dappled]

[QUOTE=Marshfield;8620588]
Landlords are often restricted by their insurance company. It may very well have nothing to do with their own opinion on the breed[/QUOTE]

Well regardless of how far back in the chain it goes, it is a reflection of someone’s opinion! :lol:

[dappled]

[QUOTE=Sswor;8620628]
On the flip side, a no pit bull rule at an apartment/condo complex/HOA would be an attractive selling point to me.[/QUOTE]

Why?

[Incantation]

When we had rentals in MA, the insurance companies we used had a very long list of prohibited breeds. Basically any large working breed, and any breed with the words “pit” or “bull” in it - including the infamous Kerry BULL Terrier. When I tried to explaining that it was BLUE not BULL terrier, I received the deer in the headlights look…

[Nezzy]

there are dogs in shelters everywhere. that is what is sad. people refuse to put the time into their pets then dump them bc the pet is untrained. Animals are not disposable. people make me sick.

[vacation1]

[QUOTE=dappled;8620904]
Why?[/QUOTE]

Maybe she owns a dog. All this cooing about how fighting pitties are super sweet to people kind of sounds like insanity to me - great, your pit wuvs the kids, but will kill my dog in a heartbeat! Cuddles! WTF?

[vacation1]

[QUOTE=yankeeclipper;8618968]
I understand your need to vent but telling everyone that all these breeds are notorious for being ill natured does not help their need to find homes before they are euthanized. I read many of the descriptions and most of them sounded like very sweet dogs albeit scared for where they ended up. I encourage anyone looking for a dog to look at these pups. There are some diamonds in the rough.[/QUOTE]

I’m not telling state secrets here – the aggression problems in breeds like the pit bulls, shepherds and huskies are well-known, as is the tendency for Cockers to be nasty. That’s WHY there are so many of these breeds staring woefully into a camera lens, hours from being euthanized for lack of a willing owner. People don’t want aggressive dogs and they’re wary of breeds which have long histories of aggression issues.

I read many of the descriptions too. Many were virtually blank, but some had detail. Some of those dogs need to be euthanized. It’s ludicrous they’re being offered up as victims who will die just because no one cares enough to rescue them. 2 pits had bite records on people, 1 pit was brought in for an animal attack and 1 was brought in for attacking its owner’s other pit. 1 was described variously by different volunteers, staff and a foster as either dog-friendly, dog-selective or ‘not ready for the dog park!’ – basically, yet another pit bull with noticeable aggression toward dogs. These are not pets, these are projects which will require lifelong active maintenance and awareness.

[Countrywood]

I see few cockers or huskies or shepherds (relatively ) in shelters compared to pit bulls. Why are all the OTHER dogs of all breeds and mixes and sizes in shelters/rescue? Why are all the CATS in shelters? ( we can’t blame it on aggressive cat attacks making headlines, though in reality a cat bite due to infection is often more serious than many a dog bite)

The root problem is over breeding of all animals, and the next big wave at shelters is going to be the small dog designer mixes we see exploding and advertised all over CL. And yet whenever mandatory licensing for ANY breeding is proposed, people go nuts, say it will somehow “punish” good breeders (I have yet to figure that one out). There is no penalty or fine for dumping animals or giving them up to shelters. There is no penalty of any kind except the most extreme of animal abuse for anything people do, which is why so many animals end up in shelters. PB are tough to adopt out because of fear, reputation, insurance and land lord issues etc.

I do agree it would make more sense to euthanize certain dogs, which is exactly what happens to them , we don’t see the ones who already were euthanize d we only see the ones spared trying to adopt out. Those not adopted will be euthanize sooner or later, or die a natural death after a life lived out in shelter if it is truly a non euth place, most of them that describe themselves as “no kill” simply send the overflow to shelters that will euthanize rather than do it themselves.

[omare]

I like the ball in the mouth idea! I had a rescued GS who I acquired at two who was a sweetheart–but quirky–in the car he acted like he was going to go through the window barking at people --so I kept a toy in the car for him to hold in his mouth-hard to bark and hold ones favor toy. He was also quirky about company leaving the house-- (yet I could leave without a problem) --Under his rules, you can come but guests can never leave (Would bar the door and start barking) so distraction was my friend. But it got me out of hosting Xmas dinners for 12 years.(And yes I agree I am a bad dog trainer.)

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=Incantation;8621225]
When we had rentals in MA, the insurance companies we used had a very long list of prohibited breeds. Basically any large working breed, and any breed with the words “pit” or “bull” in it - including the infamous Kerry BULL Terrier. When I tried to explaining that it was BLUE not BULL terrier, I received the deer in the headlights look…[/QUOTE]

Then just smile sweetly and tell them yours is NOT a Kelly Bull Terrier. Yours is a Kerry Blue Terrier and show them the AKC papers. Honestly, some nutjob has probably made up “Kelly Bull Terrier” as a name for something, there’s no shortage of people who think giving something a name (i.e. “blue nose,” “chipompoo”) makes it important/better.

[vxf111]

I firmly believe that what you see in shelters is what’s being overbred in that area. Full endstop. You don’t see tons of collies. It’s not because collies are wonderful and perfect (though IMHO they are). It’s because they’re not popular. The few who make it in get adopted quickly due to scarcity or pulled by breed-specific rescues. You see a lot of pit bull types because morons on Craig’s List keep breeding and breeding for some perceieved but wholly unrealistic demand. If it’s being overbred and sold unscruplulously, it ends up in shelters.

Once something gets popular, give it about 6-9 months for dogs to get out of the “cute” phase and then you see them being surrendered. About 6 months after 101 Dalmations there was a flood of dalmations being given up. Not because dals are bad, or dog aggressive, or even particularly difficult-- because they were abundant and people acquired them thoughtlessly. I can’t tell you how many jerk low lives think they’re going to hit the lottery breeding their “red nose” unpapered pitt bull type and selling the puppies on CL. 6 months later, they have half the pups left and they get dumped in the shelter. The people who got them as puppies are tired of them, it’s more work than they expected, or they ran away and got picked up by animal control. Those dogs aren’t inherently bad-- they’re just being produced and sold in a pipeline that funnels way too many of them back to shelters.

The next wave in my area is cane corsos. We’re already seeing them in shelters. Give it a couple more months, they’re going to be abundant. They’re suddenly popular and being bred and bred and bred by idiots. We also have no shortage of [insert whatever breed you like]-poos that our local puppy mill broker (The Puppy Barn) sells for $2000 each. Plenty of labs and shepards because they’re highly popular breeds. NONE of these are because there’s any inherent problem with the breed. It’s who bred and sold those dogs, not the breed. Whatever is in the area and not well bred/sold to responsible owners is what ends up in the shelters.

[Countrywood]

vxf111, I agree 100% , which to me at least means bans on dog breeding, period , unless one is licensed AND can prove a waiting list of customers (demand ) for a litter. Fines to anyone who violates, whether BB or professional. True, some people would evade but the numbers would go down dramatically. Close down the puppy mills and cheap byb on CL.

But few want to curtail the “freedom” to act irresponsibility and others for some inane reason claim license laws would hurt “good breeders” (how?).

Mandatory spay or neuter by X date after get an animal or fines. At same time offer low cost spay and neuter, which already exists.

[khall]

vxf and country, yep totally agree with one caveat: around here (Georgia, middle) it is also about the culture of not altering pets, so joe blow down the road lets their dogs/cats run free unaltered and low and behold they have litter after litter of unwanted animals who get hit on the road or picked up as strays or owner surrendered (One of my fosters a ACDx was surrendered with her two puppies). The majority of the animals in our local shelters are strays that are picked up and owner surrenders, with the hoarding situations that happen as well. Those hoarders tend to end up in rescues pretty quickly though. Rarely are the dogs taken in for bite issues, though they do happen. Some are court cases for neglect and abuse that are held until the case is cleared or the animal is turned over.

Some of the dogs are not suitable for adoption and should be euthanized humanely, whether for temperament or medical reasons. Many do make wonderful pets as I sit surrounded by my rescue dogs:)

[vxf111]

100% agree that in areas the overbreeding is due to unintentional breeding (letting unaltered dogs roam). But I 100% disagree that there is something wrong with certain breeds that lands so many of them in shelters. They are in shelters because they are abundant and abundant in the hands of idiots. Whether they got there through CL breeders or loose hunting dogs mating. Not because they are inherently suspect dogs due to breed.

[pezk]

Most of the dogs here in Ma in shelters come from down south or even Puerto Rico.
We don’t have an overpopulation problem so many of the the shelters import dogs to save them.

[khall]

vxf, yes totally agree with you.

This from my neighbor at the end of our driveway, she had a lovely boxer intact male dog who would get out and come to our house to play with our big dog (who is neutered), asked her why she did not have him altered: won’t it make him a sissy? GRR, did not point out that my big dog would upend her boxer while playing rough together and mine was neutered.

[Countrywood]

Back to what I suggested in my post, mandatory spay and neuter for all pets after X date of purchase or adoption, or a daily fine accrues, unless one is a licensed breeder (with such licenses hard to come by). Or some law or regulation with consequences, otherwise we’ll just see more of the same.

[Incantation]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8622661]
Back to what I suggested in my post, mandatory spay and neuter for all pets after X date of purchase or adoption, or a daily fine accrues, unless one is a licensed breeder (with such licenses hard to come by). Or some law or regulation with consequences, otherwise we’ll just see more of the same.[/QUOTE]

Who and how exactly is it going to be determined who is eligible for a license? At what age must dogs be S/N? It is now proven to be detrimental to large/giant breeds to be altered before maturity, which may be 2 yo in some breeds. How will that be handled? How will the “bad” breeders be weeded out, while not overburdening responsible breeders? Irresponsible people are the ones doing the irresponsible breeding. Why do you think laws will make the them become responsible? They won’t, unless they happen to get caught.

I have proposed to my AC that mandatory S/N be added to the town bylaws for any dog found roaming at large. It won’t completely solve the problem, but will help with some of the irresponsible owners.