USDA HPA Amendment to ban stacks and chains in the Tennessee Walking Horse

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8801251]
OK, I’m an “extremist” when it comes to inflicting discomfort on a horse for cosmetic purposes. You got me, I’m guilty as charged. :wink: But my opposition is based upon a combination of education, experience, and sound science.

G.[/QUOTE]

I think where the disconnect is here is that you think chains all by themselves cause discomfort, while those of us that actually have experience using them and are perfectly able to tell if something hurts a horse or not, disagree. They don’t cause any pain (as long as there are no soring agents applied with the chains). Minimal pads do not cause discomfort. Weighted shoes do not cause discomfort. IMHO I’d be much more concerned with ill fitting saddles, rough hands, overuse of spurs, cranked-tight cavessons and drilling horses into mental and physical unsoundness. THOSE things cause discomfort and some could even say are abuse. Chains? No. They’re no more uncomfortable than the bit in their mouth or the saddle on their back. POTENTIALLY uncomfortable, yes, but when fitted and used properly, not uncomfortable.

The American Saddlebred Horse Association is FIGHTING this new law/rule…

This release from the ASHA came out today. Rather than seek to protect the horses, and simply allow the USDA to level the playing field, and protect the welfare of the horses, they are fighting to keep their entrenched, archaic and unreasonable view of how horses can be treated, in place.

The idea that there is “no Veterinary science” that supports this act is beyond ridiculous, and the USDA is being supported in this by the AAEP.

PLEASE! Help support the welfare of these wonderful horses, and reach out to the USDA to support the removal of these methods and devices for horses…

The ASHA Press Release reads as follows:

"This proposed rule by the United States Department of Agriculture that would eliminate the use of any pad, action device or hoof bands as well as eliminate all self-regulation would have devastating impacts. The demands on horse show management will be costly and create an abundance of unnecessary work on the part of show management and the exhibitors.

As members of the American Saddlebred Horse Association or even an interested party here is what you can do to support the cause.

Submit a comment on the web site and oppose the rule. You must let the USDA know the impacts of the rule as it pertains to you. We can’t stress enough the importance of doing this. There are literally thousands of people in our sport that will be affected and we need each and every one of you to respond at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0009.

Next, there is a public hearing scheduled for Tuesday, September 9 at the USDA Headquarters in Riverdale, MD, as well as a virtual meeting to be held Thursday, September 15 at 5:00 EDT. Any interested person may appear and be heard in person, by attorney or by other another representative. For the virtual hearing, any person may call in to be heard.

Written statements may be submitted and will be made part of the hearing record. A transcript of the public hearings will be placed in the rulemaking record and will be available for public inspection. Registration is required to speak at the public hearing and can be accomplished by registering with the presiding officer 30 minutes prior to the scheduled start of the hearing. Persons who wish to speak will be asked to sign in with their name and organization to establish a record for the hearing. Anyone who reads a statement is asked to provide two copies to the presiding officer at the hearing.

When submitting your comment or speaking at the hearing you don’t have to have an elaborate speech, but need to focus on the impact the rule has with you. For example, if you are a:

TRAINER – how many employees you have, how the rule will impact your business, the effect it will have on your household income and the loss you will suffer as a result. You should also request a representative from every vendor you buy from to also submit a comment talking about the impact of the loss of your business on their business.

OWNER – how many horses you own, their current value and what the value will be if the rule goes into effect constituting the illegal taking of that value by the USDA with zero regard for veterinary science that proves no relationship between pads, action devices and hoof bands and soring. You can also speak to the real estate you own that is specifically tied to your involvement in the horse industry.

BREEDER – how many broodmares you own, how many stallions you own and if you own a breeding operation, how many employees you have and how your operation will be impacted by the rule.

HORSE SHOW MANAGEMENT – speak to the value your horse show brings to the community where it is held and the charities that you benefit and with the rule how difficult it will be to have a horse show, have horses participate and how the new rules are making it too difficult and cost prohibitive to have a horse show and thus the loss to the community and charities. We have many shows that donate thousands and thousands of dollars to worthy causes.

FARRIER – how many employees you have, how the rule will affect your business, the effect it will have on your household income and the loss you will suffer as a result.

VETERINARIANS – how many employees you have, the impact of the American Saddlebred on your practice and the loss of revenue to your practice. You should also be able to speak professionally to the prohibition of the equipment (pads and bands) and how it is unrelated to soring.

ELECTED OFFICIALS – speak to the value of the American Saddlebred to horse shows in your area, the tax revenue received as a result of the American Saddlebred and the use of the American Saddlebred to help civic clubs and charities and the valuable work they do.

BUSINESS OWNER – speak to the impact of the American Saddlebred, the owners, the trainers and all the spectators to your business and how you would be affected if the American Saddlebred show horse went away.

If you have any questions regarding this process please contact ASHA Executive Director Bill Whitley or President Bob Funkhouser.

WE NEED YOUR VOICE and HELP!!!"

IT is the HORSES who need your VOICES and HELP…please do NOT let them down!

[QUOTE=Tiffani B;8804140]
I think where the disconnect is here is that you think chains all by themselves cause discomfort, while those of us that actually have experience using them and are perfectly able to tell if something hurts a horse or not, disagree. They don’t cause any pain (as long as there are no soring agents applied with the chains). Minimal pads do not cause discomfort. Weighted shoes do not cause discomfort. IMHO I’d be much more concerned with ill fitting saddles, rough hands, overuse of spurs, cranked-tight cavessons and drilling horses into mental and physical unsoundness. THOSE things cause discomfort and some could even say are abuse. Chains? No. They’re no more uncomfortable than the bit in their mouth or the saddle on their back. POTENTIALLY uncomfortable, yes, but when fitted and used properly, not uncomfortable.[/QUOTE]

Once again I disagree with the statement that chains don’t cause pain or discomfort; they do. If they didn’t they wouldn’t have the effect that they have. QED.

But we’ve clearly reached impasse on the subject.

G.

I’ll admit that I haven’t read the entire thread and I tend to have an open mind, BUT I can’t for the life of me understand why so many people want to rely on gadgets to get the desired result. I don’t see how this is any different then doping.
The goal for every sport should be to make the horse comfortable and allow them to compete within their means.

What this tells me is that these extravagant pads, chains, etc, are currently an excepted way of “cheating” or “doping” essentially, and the people fighting it know that without these so called training methods they won’t win. Get over it, breed the better horse, appreciate the horse you have, and quit taking short cuts.

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8807448]
Once again I disagree with the statement that chains don’t cause pain or discomfort; they do. If they didn’t they wouldn’t have the effect that they have. QED.

But we’ve clearly reached impasse on the subject.

G.[/QUOTE]

The effect is caused by the sensation of having something around their ankle. Go tie a piece of baling twine loosely around your horse’s pastern and tell me what they do. They will walk funny for a few steps. It doesn’t hurt. The chains do the exact same thing. The only difference is the weight of the chains makes that effect last longer than a piece of twine. But they DO NOT HURT. That is NOT how chains work on an unsored horse. It sounds like all of your experience is with sored horses, so maybe you’re coming from a very different direction. I really would hope you’d open your mind just a tiny bit to allow some knowledge in there.

I provided a link to actual research about the benefits of chains. DB provided MULTIPLE links. Did you read any of it or just going to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore the fact that you’re not right?

[QUOTE=GoodTimes;8807478]
I’ll admit that I haven’t read the entire thread and I tend to have an open mind, BUT I can’t for the life of me understand why so many people want to rely on gadgets to get the desired result. I don’t see how this is any different then doping.
The goal for every sport should be to make the horse comfortable and allow them to compete within their means.

What this tells me is that these extravagant pads, chains, etc, are currently an excepted way of “cheating” or “doping” essentially, and the people fighting it know that without these so called training methods they won’t win. Get over it, breed the better horse, appreciate the horse you have, and quit taking short cuts.[/QUOTE]

Do you feel the same way about studs in eventers shoes? Or borium on driving horses. The argument can be made that both of these affect the horse in that motion of the leg is stopped sooner and more abruptly with them than without? Similar to athletes and AstroTurf vs real turf.

[QUOTE=roseymare;8807716]
Do you feel the same way about studs in eventers shoes? Or borium on driving horses. The argument can be made that both of these affect the horse in that motion of the leg is stopped sooner and more abruptly with them than without? Similar to athletes and AstroTurf vs real turf.[/QUOTE]

I think that is splitting hairs. Both studs and borium are designed to improve the safety of the horse and provide additional traction. Comparing borium and chains is apples and oranges.

[QUOTE=Tiffani B;8807547]
The effect is caused by the sensation of having something around their ankle. Go tie a piece of baling twine loosely around your horse’s pastern and tell me what they do. They will walk funny for a few steps. It doesn’t hurt. The chains do the exact same thing. The only difference is the weight of the chains makes that effect last longer than a piece of twine. But they DO NOT HURT. That is NOT how chains work on an unsored horse. It sounds like all of your experience is with sored horses, so maybe you’re coming from a very different direction. I really would hope you’d open your mind just a tiny bit to allow some knowledge in there.

I provided a link to actual research about the benefits of chains. DB provided MULTIPLE links. Did you read any of it or just going to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore the fact that you’re not right?[/QUOTE]

Again, I disagree with your assessment based upon my own education (FOSH DQP Grad.), training, and experience. I also read the links and do not believe that they support your position.

We are still at impasse.

G.

[QUOTE=roseymare;8807716]
Do you feel the same way about studs in eventers shoes? Or borium on driving horses. The argument can be made that both of these affect the horse in that motion of the leg is stopped sooner and more abruptly with them than without? Similar to athletes and AstroTurf vs real turf.[/QUOTE]

No I don’t feel the same way. Studs or corks are for safety and traction. Good horsemen know how to assess the footing in order to use the smallest size possible, and they are only in for the class.
My horses live out 24/7 in Canada so they also wear small ice studs in the winter, again for their safety.

The “stopping” effect you describe is minimal compared to a potential slip. To my knowledge there are no studies indicating that correctly used studs have caused. Injury. Nor cleats on soccer players, or spikes with track athletes.

So if I’m reading this thread right, other breeds who show stylized gaits trained with the aid of dubious “action devices” are willing to throw the poor sored Walkers under the bus once again, lest they be questioned as to how they go about producing various other unnatural, non-functional and anachronistic “styles?”

NIIIIIIIIICE.

Guess we now know where y’all stand. . . firmly in the 19th century. :no:

[QUOTE=ASB Stars;8807399]
This release from the ASHA came out today. Rather than seek to protect the horses, and simply allow the USDA to level the playing field, and protect the welfare of the horses, they are fighting to keep their entrenched, archaic and unreasonable view of how horses can be treated, in place.

The idea that there is “no Veterinary science” that supports this act is beyond ridiculous, and the USDA is being supported in this by the AAEP.

PLEASE! Help support the welfare of these wonderful horses, and reach out to the USDA to support the removal of these methods and devices for horses…

The ASHA Press Release reads as follows:

"This proposed rule by the United States Department of Agriculture that would eliminate the use of any pad, action device or hoof bands as well as eliminate all self-regulation would have devastating impacts. The demands on horse show management will be costly and create an abundance of unnecessary work on the part of show management and the exhibitors.

As members of the American Saddlebred Horse Association or even an interested party here is what you can do to support the cause.

Submit a comment on the web site and oppose the rule. You must let the USDA know the impacts of the rule as it pertains to you. We can’t stress enough the importance of doing this. There are literally thousands of people in our sport that will be affected and we need each and every one of you to respond at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0009.

Next, there is a public hearing scheduled for Tuesday, September 9 at the USDA Headquarters in Riverdale, MD, as well as a virtual meeting to be held Thursday, September 15 at 5:00 EDT. Any interested person may appear and be heard in person, by attorney or by other another representative. For the virtual hearing, any person may call in to be heard.

Written statements may be submitted and will be made part of the hearing record. A transcript of the public hearings will be placed in the rulemaking record and will be available for public inspection. Registration is required to speak at the public hearing and can be accomplished by registering with the presiding officer 30 minutes prior to the scheduled start of the hearing. Persons who wish to speak will be asked to sign in with their name and organization to establish a record for the hearing. Anyone who reads a statement is asked to provide two copies to the presiding officer at the hearing.

When submitting your comment or speaking at the hearing you don’t have to have an elaborate speech, but need to focus on the impact the rule has with you. For example, if you are a:

TRAINER – how many employees you have, how the rule will impact your business, the effect it will have on your household income and the loss you will suffer as a result. You should also request a representative from every vendor you buy from to also submit a comment talking about the impact of the loss of your business on their business.

OWNER – how many horses you own, their current value and what the value will be if the rule goes into effect constituting the illegal taking of that value by the USDA with zero regard for veterinary science that proves no relationship between pads, action devices and hoof bands and soring. You can also speak to the real estate you own that is specifically tied to your involvement in the horse industry.

BREEDER – how many broodmares you own, how many stallions you own and if you own a breeding operation, how many employees you have and how your operation will be impacted by the rule.

HORSE SHOW MANAGEMENT – speak to the value your horse show brings to the community where it is held and the charities that you benefit and with the rule how difficult it will be to have a horse show, have horses participate and how the new rules are making it too difficult and cost prohibitive to have a horse show and thus the loss to the community and charities. We have many shows that donate thousands and thousands of dollars to worthy causes.

FARRIER – how many employees you have, how the rule will affect your business, the effect it will have on your household income and the loss you will suffer as a result.

VETERINARIANS – how many employees you have, the impact of the American Saddlebred on your practice and the loss of revenue to your practice. You should also be able to speak professionally to the prohibition of the equipment (pads and bands) and how it is unrelated to soring.

ELECTED OFFICIALS – speak to the value of the American Saddlebred to horse shows in your area, the tax revenue received as a result of the American Saddlebred and the use of the American Saddlebred to help civic clubs and charities and the valuable work they do.

BUSINESS OWNER – speak to the impact of the American Saddlebred, the owners, the trainers and all the spectators to your business and how you would be affected if the American Saddlebred show horse went away.

If you have any questions regarding this process please contact ASHA Executive Director Bill Whitley or President Bob Funkhouser.

WE NEED YOUR VOICE and HELP!!!"

IT is the HORSES who need your VOICES and HELP…please do NOT let them down![/QUOTE]

I don’t understand how the proposed changes do any of this damage.

Why is it impossible to hold shows?

Why is it impossible to train horses any other way?

How does it make it impossible to breed?

Why does it make a horse less valuable?

There is no credibility in the points of these protests, unless it is explained in far more detail why everything comes to a halt without the artificial devices in question.

Major changes have been made in showing other kinds of horses, and they still show, train, breed, etc., and the successful horses are still worth a lot of money. People involved will adapt to not having the chains, stacks, etc. The horses will be better off without anyone who can’t.

Whoa! NOT all of us!

I want the reforms. But moreover, the horses are DYING for them!

[QUOTE=ASB Stars;8807399]
This release from the ASHA came out today. Rather than seek to protect the horses, and simply allow the USDA to level the playing field, and protect the welfare of the horses, they are fighting to keep their entrenched, archaic and unreasonable view of how horses can be treated, in place.

The idea that there is “no Veterinary science” that supports this act is beyond ridiculous, and the USDA is being supported in this by the AAEP.

PLEASE! Help support the welfare of these wonderful horses, and reach out to the USDA to support the removal of these methods and devices for horses…

The ASHA Press Release reads as follows:

"This proposed rule by the United States Department of Agriculture that would eliminate the use of any pad, action device or hoof bands as well as eliminate all self-regulation would have devastating impacts. The demands on horse show management will be costly and create an abundance of unnecessary work on the part of show management and the exhibitors.

As members of the American Saddlebred Horse Association or even an interested party here is what you can do to support the cause.

Submit a comment on the web site and oppose the rule. You must let the USDA know the impacts of the rule as it pertains to you. We can’t stress enough the importance of doing this. There are literally thousands of people in our sport that will be affected and we need each and every one of you to respond at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0009.

Next, there is a public hearing scheduled for Tuesday, September 9 at the USDA Headquarters in Riverdale, MD, as well as a virtual meeting to be held Thursday, September 15 at 5:00 EDT. Any interested person may appear and be heard in person, by attorney or by other another representative. For the virtual hearing, any person may call in to be heard.

Written statements may be submitted and will be made part of the hearing record. A transcript of the public hearings will be placed in the rulemaking record and will be available for public inspection. Registration is required to speak at the public hearing and can be accomplished by registering with the presiding officer 30 minutes prior to the scheduled start of the hearing. Persons who wish to speak will be asked to sign in with their name and organization to establish a record for the hearing. Anyone who reads a statement is asked to provide two copies to the presiding officer at the hearing.

When submitting your comment or speaking at the hearing you don’t have to have an elaborate speech, but need to focus on the impact the rule has with you. For example, if you are a:

TRAINER – how many employees you have, how the rule will impact your business, the effect it will have on your household income and the loss you will suffer as a result. You should also request a representative from every vendor you buy from to also submit a comment talking about the impact of the loss of your business on their business.

OWNER – how many horses you own, their current value and what the value will be if the rule goes into effect constituting the illegal taking of that value by the USDA with zero regard for veterinary science that proves no relationship between pads, action devices and hoof bands and soring. You can also speak to the real estate you own that is specifically tied to your involvement in the horse industry.

BREEDER – how many broodmares you own, how many stallions you own and if you own a breeding operation, how many employees you have and how your operation will be impacted by the rule.

HORSE SHOW MANAGEMENT – speak to the value your horse show brings to the community where it is held and the charities that you benefit and with the rule how difficult it will be to have a horse show, have horses participate and how the new rules are making it too difficult and cost prohibitive to have a horse show and thus the loss to the community and charities. We have many shows that donate thousands and thousands of dollars to worthy causes.

FARRIER – how many employees you have, how the rule will affect your business, the effect it will have on your household income and the loss you will suffer as a result.

VETERINARIANS – how many employees you have, the impact of the American Saddlebred on your practice and the loss of revenue to your practice. You should also be able to speak professionally to the prohibition of the equipment (pads and bands) and how it is unrelated to soring.

ELECTED OFFICIALS – speak to the value of the American Saddlebred to horse shows in your area, the tax revenue received as a result of the American Saddlebred and the use of the American Saddlebred to help civic clubs and charities and the valuable work they do.

BUSINESS OWNER – speak to the impact of the American Saddlebred, the owners, the trainers and all the spectators to your business and how you would be affected if the American Saddlebred show horse went away.

If you have any questions regarding this process please contact ASHA Executive Director Bill Whitley or President Bob Funkhouser.

WE NEED YOUR VOICE and HELP!!!"

IT is the HORSES who need your VOICES and HELP…please do NOT let them down![/QUOTE]

I don’t understand how the proposed changes do any of the damage alluded to in the above post.

Why will it be impossible to hold shows?

Why will it be impossible to train horses any other way?

How does outlawing stacks/chains make it impossible to breed?

Why do the changes make a horse less valuable?

There is no credibility in the points of these protests, unless it is explained in far more detail why everything comes to a halt without the artificial devices in question.

Major changes have been made in showing other kinds of horses, and they still show, train, breed, etc., and the successful horses are still worth a lot of money. People involved will adapt to not having the chains, stacks, etc. The horses will be better off without anyone who can’t adapt to not using the items to be banned.

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8791561]
… Something needs to be done to address that part of the industry. They have proven they can not use their own good judgement to police themselves.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. If they didn’t want government interference, they could have changed their ways and protected the horses in the first place.

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8795631]…
The “soring” of Walkers (and the use of “dumb” training devices) is a whole other level of human depravity. The people who do/use these things do so with malice aforethought. They know what they are doing and intend the consequences of their actions. Or if they don’t actually intend injury to attain a cosmetic goal they are more than willing to accept that injury. That, to me, is a vastly different moral and ethical stance than just “hoarding” a bunch of animals in the mistaken belief that they are preventing some greater harm.

G.[/QUOTE]

100% this.

Also, I want to see the owners held 100% accountable alongside the trainers. Trainers have been called out and prosecuted, but without owners being named in the press reports or sharing the legal accountability - even though the owners were paying the trainers to do what the trainers did. Time to haul the owners into the spotlight alongside the abusive trainers. The owners fund the whole rotten system. No denials “I didn’t know”. It is the owner’s responsibility to know. Heavy accountability for owners will be the fastest path to change.

REALLY disappointed in the ASHA

[QUOTE=ASB Stars;8807399]
This release from the ASHA came out today. Rather than seek to protect the horses, and simply allow the USDA to level the playing field, and protect the welfare of the horses, they are fighting to keep their entrenched, archaic and unreasonable view of how horses can be treated, in place.

The idea that there is “no Veterinary science” that supports this act is beyond ridiculous, and the USDA is being supported in this by the AAEP.

PLEASE! Help support the welfare of these wonderful horses, and reach out to the USDA to support the removal of these methods and devices for horses…

The ASHA Press Release reads as follows:

"This proposed rule by the United States Department of Agriculture that would eliminate the use of any pad, action device or hoof bands as well as eliminate all self-regulation would have devastating impacts. The demands on horse show management will be costly and create an abundance of unnecessary work on the part of show management and the exhibitors.

As members of the American Saddlebred Horse Association or even an interested party here is what you can do to support the cause.

Submit a comment on the web site and oppose the rule. You must let the USDA know the impacts of the rule as it pertains to you. We can’t stress enough the importance of doing this. There are literally thousands of people in our sport that will be affected and we need each and every one of you to respond at: http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0009.

Next, there is a public hearing scheduled for Tuesday, September 9 at the USDA Headquarters in Riverdale, MD, as well as a virtual meeting to be held Thursday, September 15 at 5:00 EDT. Any interested person may appear and be heard in person, by attorney or by other another representative. For the virtual hearing, any person may call in to be heard.

Written statements may be submitted and will be made part of the hearing record. A transcript of the public hearings will be placed in the rulemaking record and will be available for public inspection. Registration is required to speak at the public hearing and can be accomplished by registering with the presiding officer 30 minutes prior to the scheduled start of the hearing. Persons who wish to speak will be asked to sign in with their name and organization to establish a record for the hearing. Anyone who reads a statement is asked to provide two copies to the presiding officer at the hearing.

When submitting your comment or speaking at the hearing you don’t have to have an elaborate speech, but need to focus on the impact the rule has with you. For example, if you are a:

TRAINER – how many employees you have, how the rule will impact your business, the effect it will have on your household income and the loss you will suffer as a result. You should also request a representative from every vendor you buy from to also submit a comment talking about the impact of the loss of your business on their business.

OWNER – how many horses you own, their current value and what the value will be if the rule goes into effect constituting the illegal taking of that value by the USDA with zero regard for veterinary science that proves no relationship between pads, action devices and hoof bands and soring. You can also speak to the real estate you own that is specifically tied to your involvement in the horse industry.

BREEDER – how many broodmares you own, how many stallions you own and if you own a breeding operation, how many employees you have and how your operation will be impacted by the rule.

HORSE SHOW MANAGEMENT – speak to the value your horse show brings to the community where it is held and the charities that you benefit and with the rule how difficult it will be to have a horse show, have horses participate and how the new rules are making it too difficult and cost prohibitive to have a horse show and thus the loss to the community and charities. We have many shows that donate thousands and thousands of dollars to worthy causes.

FARRIER – how many employees you have, how the rule will affect your business, the effect it will have on your household income and the loss you will suffer as a result.

VETERINARIANS – how many employees you have, the impact of the American Saddlebred on your practice and the loss of revenue to your practice. You should also be able to speak professionally to the prohibition of the equipment (pads and bands) and how it is unrelated to soring.

ELECTED OFFICIALS – speak to the value of the American Saddlebred to horse shows in your area, the tax revenue received as a result of the American Saddlebred and the use of the American Saddlebred to help civic clubs and charities and the valuable work they do.

BUSINESS OWNER – speak to the impact of the American Saddlebred, the owners, the trainers and all the spectators to your business and how you would be affected if the American Saddlebred show horse went away.

If you have any questions regarding this process please contact ASHA Executive Director Bill Whitley or President Bob Funkhouser.

WE NEED YOUR VOICE and HELP!!!"

IT is the HORSES who need your VOICES and HELP…please do NOT let them down![/QUOTE]

This is the crazy thing about all this. The American Saddlebred Horse Association PLAGERIZED with some minor tweaking a pinned post from the Tennessee Walking Horse Breeder’s & Exhibitor’s Associations’s FaceBook page dated July 29, 2016.

"Walking Horse folks MUST act NOW to save our industry.

What Can I Do??

The proposed rule by the United States Department of Agriculture that would eliminate the use of any pad, action device or hoof band as well as eliminate all self-regulation will have devastating impacts. The demands on horse show management will be costly and create an unnecessary hassle and the demands on exhibitors to enter horses, regardless of the division will be prohibitive as well. Horse shows in many cases will cease to exist.

What can you do to voice your concern regarding this proposed rule?

First, submit a comment on the web site and oppose the rule. You must let the USDA know the impacts of the rule to you. You can submit those comments at http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;D=APHIS-2011-0009 - we can’t stress enough the importance of you taking the time to do this. There are literally thousands of people affected negatively by this rule and we need each and every one of them to voice their opposition to the rule.

Second, show up at one of the public hearings scheduled and sign up to speak. The first two are August 9th in Murfreesboro, TN at the Embassy Suites and August 10th in Lexington, Ky at the Clarion Hotel. A complete list of public hearings can be found by clicking here. The industry needs to show up in support of the Tennessee Walking Horse at these public hearings. The hope would be a standing room only crowd of thousands of advocates for the industry. As we all know, the Humane Society is working hard to garner support for the rule.

The following was stated in the rule, “Any interested person may appear and be heard in person, by attorney, or by other representative. For the virtual hearing, any person may call in to be heard. Information about the hearings can be viewed online at https:///www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/animalwelfare/horse-protection-amendments. Written statements may be submitted and will be made part of the hearing record. A transcript of the public hearings will be placed in the rulemaking record and will be available for public inspection. Registration is required to speak at one or more of the public hearings. Registration for the face-to-face hearings may also be accomplished by registering with the presiding officer 30 minutes prior to the scheduled start of each hearing. Persons who wish to speak will be asked to sign in with their name and organization to establish a record for the hearing. We ask that anyone who reads a statement provide two copies to the presiding officer at the hearing.”

When submitting your comment or speaking at the public hearing, you don’t have to have an elaborate speech but need to focus on the impact the rule has with you. For example, if you are a…

Trainer – how many employees you have, how the rule will impact your business, the effect it will have on your household income and the loss you will suffer as a result. You should also recruit a representative from every vendor you buy from to be at the hearing and submit a comment talking about the impact of the loss of your business on their business.

Owner – how many horses you own, their current value and what the value will be if the rule goes into effect, constituting the illegal taking of that value by the USDA with zero regard for veterinary science that proves no relationship between pads, action devices and hoof bands and soring. You can also speak to the real estate you own that is specifically tied to your involvement in the horse industry. This should not just be padded horse owners – flat shod horses will be affected by the prohibition of bands, the difficulty in having horse shows to show your horses and the loss of shows with both divisions making your horses less marketable and thus less valuable

Breeder – how many broodmares you own, how many stallions you own, if you own a breeding operation, how many employees you have and how your operation would be impacted by the rule. A good measure of this impact would be the already large decrease in breeding as a result of the USDA’s overregulation of the current horse show and inspection system.

Horse Show Management – speak to the value your horse show brings to the community where it is held and the charities that you benefit and with the rule how difficult it will be to have a horse show, have horses participate and how the new rules are making it too difficult and too cost prohibitive to have a horse show and thus the loss to the community and charities as a result. We have many shows that donate thousands and thousands of dollars to worthy causes.

Farrier – How many employees you have, how the rule will affect your business, the effect it will have on your household income and the loss you will suffer as a result

Veterinarians – How many employees you have, the impact of the Tennessee Walking Show Horse on your practice, the loss of revenue to your practice, etc. You should also be able to speak professionally to the prohibition of the equipment and how it is unrelated to soring. You can also speak to the difficulty of recruiting veterinarians and vet techs to serve as DQPs.

Elected officials – You can speak to the value of the Tennessee Walking Horse to shows in your community, the tax revenue received as a result of the Tennessee Walking Horse and the use of the Tennessee Walking Horse to help civic clubs in your community and the valuable work they do. Most of the local shows across the state offer both divisions and will be impacted by the rule dramatically, reducing the economic impact to the community

Business Owner – You can speak to the impact of the Tennessee Walking Horse, the owners, the trainers and all the spectators to your business and how you would be affected if the industry went away"

I’m extremely disappointed in the ASHA for condoning anything that has to do with the sore horse Big Lick crowd. NOT a good move on their part.

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Whoa! NOT all of us!

I want the reforms. But moreover, the horses are DYING for them![/QUOTE]

DYING

Really? Melodramatic much?

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I think that is splitting hairs. Both studs and borium are designed to improve the safety of the horse and provide additional traction. Comparing borium and chains is apples and oranges.[/QUOTE]

I was referring to her statement about gadgets and not understanding why people would use them

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I was referring to her statement about gadgets and not understanding why people would use them[/QUOTE]

Ha good one, but I don’t think anyone in their right mind would consider studs a “gadget”. Like I said before they’re for safety, they don’t alter the conformation or natural way of going.
In most other disciplines draw reins are the most controversial “gadget”, which is controlled by the rider and thus only as severe as the riders hands, similar to different bits.

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DYING

Really? Melodramatic much?[/QUOTE]

Absolutely- the horses who do not make it in the ring are sent to the road. What do you think happens to them?

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Absolutely- the horses who do not make it in the ring are sent to the road. What do you think happens to them?[/QUOTE]

Well they could become flat shod.

I do think the only answer for the TWH is to outlaw stacks. They have not successfully policed themselves and the stacked horses are not passing on the wonderful gait the breed was renowned for as they pace without the stacks.

Interestingly people probably assumed I was for long toed heavy shod horses, because I asked what a poster thought of studs or borium. I guess tool would be a better word than gadget. But her statement was very curious to me as if all horses should be barefoot or something. Every breed showcases horses to their advantage by using certain tools. Some breeds and shows just lose their way and take things to the extreme. Eight to ten years ago I was amazed to see the pads and toes present on draft hitches. They rivaled TWH. That extreme did not take hold thank goodness, although there are still many people who do not agree with how many are shod.

Also I would be careful if I was ASB person in saying that the horses are sound for multiple years therefore our shoeing is acceptable. You should check the ages of the TWH heavy shods…