USEF Dismisses Protest Against Mandarino

[findeight]

[QUOTE=skydy;6661696]

Is it really so difficult for people to imagine showing their horses without injecting them on the show grounds?

Really? :no:[/QUOTE]

When they are at the grounds for day, weeks or even months? Yes, that would be difficult to imagine.

But, again, USEF is a hobby club with no law enforcement ability or jurisdiction to operate as a civil or criminal court. Even if they throw the book at violaters, all they can do is ban them from USEF activities. Some of those on the hearing commitee are not any happier with what they have to rule then we are. Really.

Have heard some rumblings yet to be published hearing results include some pretty stiff penalties for repeat offenders. We’ll see.

[amberhill]

Tamara Leigh Tucker - Please read my release carefully. We produced the full report to the CEO of USEF. We did not produce it to the protester because it is a private document that was part of other matters that did not concern [the protester]. After sending the report to the CEO of USEF, USEF declined to bring its own charges. [The protester] chose to proceed with the protest on her own and it was found to be unsubstantiated because she was unable to present any evidence of a violation of USEF rules. I hope this clarifies things for the many people who do not understand the USEF protest versus charge process. Please feel free to call me at my office at 434-979-0049 with further questions.

[findeight]

[QUOTE=amberhill;6661778]

• Please read my release carefully. We produced the full report to the CEO of USEF. We did not produce it to the protester because it is a private document that was part of other matters that did not concern After sending the report to the CEO of USEF, USEF declined to bring its own charges… chose to proceed with the protest on her own and it was found to be unsubstantiated because she was unable to present any evidence of a violation of USEF rules. I hope this clarifies things for the many people who do not understand the USEF protest versus charge process. Please feel free to call me at my office at 434-979-0049 with further questions.[/QUOTE]

Just in case past results are an indicator of future performance …:eek:

wooooowoooooo…I’ll go get the wine, somebody grab the popcorn.

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=findeight;6661707]
This is kind of complicated because…

USEF is not a law enforcement agency and has very limited power to act as such. It’s a hobby club. Alot of people seem to think they should do something they just cannot do or use tools they just don’t have.

State and local jursidictions vary but most treat livestock as personal property. It was her Pony.

That local trainer question posed way back is meaningless because USEF only regulates USEF rated shows and USEF members-that local trainer can do whatever they want.

I know, it sucks. But it has to be proven and would not have gone anywhere in the civilian judicial system either. IIRC local officials declined to be involved.

There is such a thing as karma, however, administered by the higher powers that be and unrestricted.[/QUOTE]

What a hobby club can do, irrespective of any quasi-law enforcement functions, is deny membership including for reasons like “uncooperativeness” and “bad sportsmanship.” Without delving into whether either of those were present in this case, as a members-only club the USEF does have the power to admit/deny membership.

[Carolinadreamin]

Wouldn’t this be easier if Mandarino said what she was injecting Humble with when he suddenly dropped to the ground and then died? Amber Hill, aka Mandarino, what was in that needle?

If the overriding concern was for your pony, Humble, it would seem obvious that you would want to get to the bottom of it. If it was an innocent injection, doesn’t that say that something was horribly wrong? Shouldn’t that be made public for the good of all equines?

[mvp]

[QUOTE=findeight;6661783]
Just in case past results are an indicator of future performance …:eek:

wooooowoooooo…I’ll go get the wine, somebody grab the popcorn.[/QUOTE]

Hey F8, would you kindly omit the amber hill post that uses real names?

I think the first post by amber hill farms was way, way out of line and I asked the Mods to redact it.

[skydy]

[QUOTE=findeight;6661720]
When they are at the grounds for day, weeks or even months? Yes, that would be difficult to imagine.

But, again, USEF is a hobby club with no law enforcement ability or jurisdiction to operate as a civil or criminal court. Even if they throw the book at violaters, all they can do is ban them from USEF activities. Some of those on the hearing commitee are not any happier with what they have to rule then we are. Really.

Have heard some rumblings yet to be published hearing results include some pretty stiff penalties for repeat offenders. We’ll see.[/QUOTE]

So how many injections are horses requiring say,over a 2 week show? So many that it would be cost prohibitive to have a vet administer them? If so IMHO they should be given some time off.
I do realize that injecting horses has become routine, however, that has resulted in a dead pony. This is not rocket science. There is a way to prevent this from occurring. Will USEF have the balls to address the problem pro-actively? I really hope so, but I’m not holding my breath…

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=vxf111;6656435]
IIRC, and now there have been several versions of the story, the shot it was allegedly receiving at Devon right before it died was Adequan.

So now, as someone who regularly uses Adequan, I want to know-- what latent lung condition is out that that, when coupled with the regularly innocuous act of giving Adequan, could kill a horse?! Because whatever it is, I want my horses tested.[/QUOTE]

Well personally, I think that Humble just held his breath and committed suicide so he would no longer have to put up with her lovely personality…See! She’s right. It wasn’t the injection that killed him. It was suicide.

[2bayboys]

[QUOTE=amberhill;6661778]
Tamara Leigh Tucker - Please read my release carefully. We produced the full report to the CEO of USEF. We did not produce it to the protester because it is a private document that was part of other matters that did not concern [the protester]. After sending the report to the CEO of USEF, USEF declined to bring its own charges. [The protester] chose to proceed with the protest on her own and it was found to be unsubstantiated because she was unable to present any evidence of a violation of USEF rules. I hope this clarifies things for the many people who do not understand the USEF protest versus charge process. Please feel free to call me at my office at 434-979-0049 with further questions.[/QUOTE]

An attorney engaging in a conversation with mostly anonymous posters on a public forum. Alrighty then:rolleyes:

[adhock]

That’s what she said…

[Jumphigh83]

If I were Adequan, I would want to PERSONALLY get to the bottom of this since it could conceivably hurt sales and marketing with the public thinking that this routine inject-able could cause instant death. This is a serious business threatening assertion.

[SnicklefritzG]

What does Mandarino think she is accomplishing by not letting go? I don’t see that her recent activities are doing anything other than giving her more bad press.

[findeight]

[QUOTE=mvp;6661950]
Hey F8, would you kindly omit the amber hill post that uses real names?

I think the first post by amber hill farms was way, way out of line and I asked the Mods to redact it.[/QUOTE]

I took the name out…as I should have done before quoting the body of the post. I was a little gobsmacked she came on here and was so in our faces, sorry.

[findeight]

[QUOTE=skydy;6662237]
So how many injections are horses requiring say,over a 2 week show? So many that it would be cost prohibitive to have a vet administer them? If so IMHO they should be given some time off…[/QUOTE]

Try 3 weeks to 3 months.

Shows today are grouped into circuits running for months at the same venue (WEF, Ocala, Gulfport) or grouped with other nearby venues (KHP and Brownland, the east coast summer schedual, Indoors) to cut down on hauling expenses and avoiding hundreds, even thousands of miles back and forth each week and too many hours/days in the trailer (not to mention $4 a gal for diesel). Horses don’t show every single week but stay with the road string.

There are injections like Adequan and Legend that need to be given at regular, vet approved intervals while that horse is on the road most barns are capable of administering themselves

I don’t believe for a heartbeat this was caused by Adequan, that lawsuit would already have been filed. Whole thing stinks and that was magnified when she came on here the other day dragging in the name of the protester and bragging there was no proof and she was not required to provide protester with any.:ambivalence:

Karma can be a bitch though.

[pds]

[QUOTE=amberhill;6661778]
Tamara Leigh Tucker - Please read my release carefully. We produced the full report to the CEO of USEF. We did not produce it to the protester because it is a private document that was part of other matters that did not concern Ms. Williams. After sending the report to the CEO of USEF, USEF declined to bring its own charges. Ms. Williams chose to proceed with the protest on her own and it was found to be unsubstantiated because she was unable to present any evidence of a violation of USEF rules. I hope this clarifies things for the many people who do not understand the USEF protest versus charge process. Please feel free to call me at my office at 434-979-0049 with further questions.[/QUOTE]

Regardless of how you spin this or the USEF’s decision, I think you are a cold hearted pony killer, a liar and a cheat and I will always think this.

[MIKES_MCS]

[QUOTE=pds;6663862]
Regardless of how you spin this or the USEF’s decision, I think you are a cold hearted pony killer, a liar and a cheat and I will always think this.[/QUOTE]

Your opinion doesn’t matter, the only opinions that matter are those who pay for her services . If the pony republic continues to do business with her then they have spoken with their checkbooks. By writing that check, they acknowledge, "it only matters that their child win, how they win is un-important ". Her business is just that, her business and every one else should just mind their own… RIGHT???As long as the USEF chooses to ingnore this incident then who are we, on this board, to be debating thier actions . Oh yeah , that’s right, we are the members of the USEF who pay the saleries , and benefits. Ummmmmmm!!!

[Lynnwood]

[QUOTE=pds;6663862]
Regardless of how you spin this or the USEF’s decision, I think you are a cold hearted pony killer, a liar and a cheat and I will always think this.[/QUOTE]

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[Moderator_1]

We were getting into some personal commentary and direct accusations that have not been substantiated, so we had to remove some posts.

Thanks,
Mod 1

[adlgel]

[QUOTE=Ambitious Kate;6660162]
Should these questions and concerns which are being raised and discussed here be addressed to USEF? It would seem to me if they received letters asking about the lack of clarity in their ruling, asking about the lack of information forthcoming from them about the situation, and about the poor reasoning, about the ‘hole’ in their rules etc, from many people, it might be something they would begin to address in the future.

Will anyone be writing letters?[/QUOTE]

I sent an email to the President, CEO and Director of Regulation for the USEF over a week ago expressing my disappointment with this ruling and have not received any reply. I didn’t expect much but was at least hoping for a “thanks for taking the time to write, we appreciate your feedback.”

[pds]

[QUOTE=adlgel;6665331]
I sent an email to the President, CEO and Director of Regulation for the USEF over a week ago expressing my disappointment with this ruling and have not received any reply. I didn’t expect much but was at least hoping for a “thanks for taking the time to write, we appreciate your feedback.”[/QUOTE]

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on a response to your letter from the USEF.