Oh boy. Elizabeth Mandarino is now adding the protester related to the Humble incident and another protester to her previously filed conspiracy and defamation lawsuit that includes ratemyhorsepro.com, and various anonymous internet posters here on COTH. Will the madness never end?
In reference to the above post wherein Mandarino is reported to be going after the person who filed the USEF protest:
And Another Thing!
Mods! I PM’d y’all twice-- Two X… more than once-- about redacting the posts that mention the protester by name.
You’ll remember my logic: The USEF offers that person anonymity, presumably to create no barrier to having its own rules enforced as best they can. Mandarino, most likely with an axe to grind, has given the protestor’s name here.
If you don’t remove that identifying information, you are thwarting the good intention (and good idea) of the USEF’s. You are being used by Mandarino as well. I don’t care about that (though it’s kind of lame), but I do care about anyone making it harder to enforce the rules already on the USEF’s books.
Would you guys kindly redact those posts or, if you have a reason not to do that, explain to me what that is? Here is fine; by PM is fine.
Thanks for your consideration,
-mvp
Mandarino has the protester’s name from the USEF documentation as well and was fully aware of who the protester was from basically Day 1 so I don’t think COTH can be blamed for providing her with that information. I didn’t think there was an expectation that USEF was keeping the protester anonymous.
See ratemyhorsepro where the documentation on the USEF’s ruling has been released as well as the report that this protester and another are being added to her lawsuit.
USEF is bound by its laws/regulations. If you want them changed, petition to have them changed for future events.
Perhaps it would be more beneficial to petition the show to ban Mandarino from showing there for “x” years. Shows up here do that if they feel a trainer is not showing proper standards of Horsemanship regardless of what the association decides.
We removed the name of the protester as a courtesy, as it was not included in the USEF’s press release(s) regarding the protest, though it is included in other content/news coverage re: the case.
Our apologies for any confusion.
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Mandarino has the protester’s name from the USEF documentation as well and was fully aware of who the protester was from basically Day 1 so I don’t think COTH can be blamed for providing her with that information. I didn’t think there was an expectation that USEF was keeping the protester anonymous.
See ratemyhorsepro where the documentation on the USEF’s ruling has been released as well as the report that this protester and another are being added to her lawsuit.[/QUOTE]
On your top paragraph: You missed my point a bit. It doesn’t matter that Mandarino knows the protest filer’s name. In fact, I can see why the USEF might consider it just to reveal that. We should get to see our accusers and yada, yada.
It’s that the accused can retaliate, presumably causing the protester damage for putting that person as a whistle-blower.
IMO, it shouldn’t be wrong in the abstract to ask that rules are enforced. So it also should not be wrong or risky to personally step up and be part of a process about enforcement, either.
How many of us would file a protest if we knew we were exposing ourselves to prosecution in the courts, the press or among our peers? It makes protesting something-- the formal process of even asking if wrongdoing happened-- a high stakes game.
So IMO, no one should contribute to that-- not COTH, not Ratemyhorsepro.com, not bystanders who don’t feel one way or another about the protester but would, in theory, like a clean sport.
And on your second paragraph: So Ratemyhorsepro.com published documents that name the protestor as such? The USEF made the same link in a public document?
Just let me know the organizations to which I should direct my rants, and I’ll go there.
Many thanks.
You did the right thing, regardless of what other news outlets are doing. Good on ya!
Am I reading the information correctly? It says that she did NOT turn over the complete necropsy report?
Just saw this looks like she is suing the people that are protesting to USEF. Who is this attorney? http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/usef-protest-ruling-released-in-mandarino-dismissal.aspx
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Oh Just freeking lovely , The USEF needs to step up here and protect the person who lodged the protest. They witnessed a pony dropping dead immediately following an injection by a trainer , whether by accident or on purpose it does not matter . This incident needed to be investigated and since the USEF on it’s own will not investigate ANYTHING unless a protest is filed . tell me , what recourse is there now. OK everyone do what ever the hell you want, it’s OK, no ones going to do a thing … because NO ONE will file a protest any longer, the precident is now set . you will be sued, it will cost you a $hit ton to do the right thing. I seriously want to puke now.
Last I checked; if you suspect something is very wrong or witness something that is very wrong than you have the absolute right to file a protest (on your own dime!). The fact that she is suing the people who filed the protests IS disgusting and WRONG and should not be tolerated. No one is ever going to step forward for the better of this sport if this is how it’s going to play out: USEF failing to take action on anything AND then the protest filer getting a law suit thrown in their face.
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No, she turned one over to USEF. The protester was not provided a copy, no requirement exsists to do so, and therefore has no way to prove any wrongdoing. As discussed earlier, there are several things that could have been injected that won’t show up or if they do, are not forbidden substances so it looks like nothing was against any rules USEF can enforce.
Do not in any way take this as any kind of a defense for this person and their inexcusable actions. This may have been an accident but her conduct since has been reprehensible and is getting worse.
Have to say, she never has had alot of fans amongst the Pony folks…and she has even fewer now.
This whole thing really makes me sick to my stomach. :no:
My guess is we can yell and scream and protest all day long, but the only thing that really “talks” is money. As in, a mass exodus of membership and show attendance. But we all know that will never happen, will it?
You know, we have a 10 trillion post, on-going thread about Big Licks on here but if I were “them” looking back at “us” (the H/J community) I would be saying
He who lives in a glass house shouldn’t throw stones…
By MIKEMCS: Oh Just freeking lovely , The USEF needs to step up here and protect the person who lodged the protest. They witnessed a pony dropping dead immediately following an injection by a trainer , whether by accident or on purpose it does not matter . This incident needed to be investigated and since the USEF on it’s own will not investigate ANYTHING unless a protest is filed . tell me , what recourse is there now. OK everyone do what ever the hell you want, it’s OK, no ones going to do a thing … because NO ONE will file a protest any longer, the precident is now set . you will be sued, it will cost you a $hit ton to do the right thing. I seriously want to puke now.[/QUOTE]
The odd thing is that the heading on that USEF document is “[Protester] vs. Elizabeth Mandarino.” IMO, this isn’t between them at all, it’s between Mandarino and the USEF. The person who filed the protest is incidental to the alleged infraction.
And I’m not sure why the USEF released this document to anyone if it wishes to grant protesters anonymity.
Did USEF release the name or did the lawyer representing Ms Mandarino?
I read it on here and the ratemyhorsepro synopsis which quoted the lawyer. Didn’t see the name in the USEF released statement…unless I missed something. It would now be public record via the Mandarino initiated defamation lawsuit but that is a civil matter.
Defamation of character? That’s a good one…
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If it’s any consolation, I think she’ll lose. That’s true unless the protester has a longer history of tweaking Mandarino’s nose than this action.
I do think someone accused should get to know who did the protesting. After all, you wouldn’t want a USEF protest to be made into a weapon of harassment, right?
In this case, pony-dead-on-show-grounds looks invites suspicion of foul play. It should surprise no one that an eye-witness filed a protest, so the burden of proof with respect to “defamation of character” has to be on Mandarino, I’d think. And, IMO, being found innocent of a USEF infraction isn’t enough to prove that, with dead pony stinkin’ up the place, the protester was gratuitously out soley to mess up Mandarino’s rep.
I sure hope the judge gives Mandarino a good slapping for dragging this protestor over the coals like this.
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No, nobody has to go to any great lengths to “mess up” her reputation. She’s done an excellent job of that all by herself. Not just over this. Remember the outcome of the contest last year she had alot of folks helping her with that did not really know her…but found out the hard way?Various trainwrecks on here over the years with name calling and accusations where she named the names or dropped hard to miss hints?
Nah, she really does not need any help on that one.
The sad truth of this is: This woman can now go back to "training " ponies with a clear conscious because the USEF has said by their actions , she has done no wrong. So, will she continue to inject ponies with the knowledge that she may cause a pony to die , or does she believe that she was not the cause, had nothing to do with it , and did nothing wrong because the USEF has said so . Maybe it’s just up to her now, to ask herself , am I doing more harm than good ?
Didn’t the protest as originally filed also allege a violation of the USEF Sportsman’s Charter? Did USEF ever address that? If not, what a pity - b/c really, Dead Pony After Injection At USEF Horse Show does NOT look good for anybody, including and specifically USEF.
