USEF Dismisses Protest Against Mandarino

[mvp]

[QUOTE=MIKES MCS;6667228]
The sad truth of this is: This woman can now go back to "training " ponies with a clear conscious because the USEF has said by their actions , she has done no wrong. So, will she continue to inject ponies with the knowledge that she may cause a pony to die , or does she believe that she was not the cause, had nothing to do with it , and did nothing wrong because the USEF has said so . Maybe it’s just up to her now, to ask herself , am I doing more harm than good ?[/QUOTE]

And all the other trainers using “won’t test” this-n-that who were watching will breathe a sigh of relief and be able to keep on doing what they are doing, too. It’s bigger than one pony trainer almost caught with her pants down.

[findeight]

Suspended trainers usually continue to train at home and send to shows with somebody else-USEF cannot stop them from doing business, only keep them off USEF showgrounds during USEF shows.

However that would require clients who think suspended trainer is a good trainer and basically good, trustworthy person…those were pretty scarce before this incident and would be even less available now.

[MIKES_MCS]

MVP wrote “It’s bigger than one pony trainer almost caught with her pants down”.

Yes it is, the implications of the USEFs decision are far reaching …If they can’t or won’t protect the animals who participate in their sanctioned events then what good is the thousands of pages of rule book? If people can’t be protected from prosecution from legitimate protests then we have a total failure of a governing body . If the USEF itself does not come to the defense of the protester then the USEF’s credibility is at issue. They CAN do something, it is only a matter of will they.

[fair_judy]

Looking back through the Humble/Mandarino mess because I was speaking with an old acquaintance and trying to explain just how messed up things got. Then we got to talking about where things stand now? I don’t see much mention of EM on the forums, but it is REALLY hard to believe she has changed her spots. any new lawsuits/issues hanging out there???

[lecoeurtriste]

[QUOTE=CBoylen;6651279]
That article makes no sense. Depo isn’t a corticosteroid unless they are confusing it with depo medrol. And nothing there requires a med report.[/QUOTE]

The article said the pony was administered dexamethasone AND “depo”. If it was depo-Medrol, then the pony was given two corticosteroids–this should require a Med Form (you can give one, but not two without medical necessity). And isn’t depo-provera banned in geldings too??

I’m wondering if the injection meds were compounded correctly (pesky decimal points) or if it was something like an air embolism. Poor pony either way.

[vxf111]

Depo Provera a brand name for is medroxyprogesterone. I don’t see it on the prohibited substance list for 2015.

[Eventer13]

[QUOTE=lecoeurtriste;8467207]
I’m wondering if the injection meds were compounded correctly (pesky decimal points) or if it was something like an air embolism. Poor pony either way.[/QUOTE]

Not saying an air embolism is totally out of the question, but horses (and ponies) generally require a lot of air to have any effect. You’d have to be very purposeful in injecting air to give enough in to kill a horse. The little bit that collects at the top of the syringe after filling it up is not going to do anything.

[jen-s]

[QUOTE=Eventer13;8467242]
Not saying an air embolism is totally out of the question, but horses (and ponies) generally require a lot of air to have any effect. You’d have to be very purposeful in injecting air to give enough in to kill a horse. The little bit that collects at the top of the syringe after filling it up is not going to do anything.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Even in humans, it take something like 20-30mls of air to harm an adult.

[lecoeurtriste]

[QUOTE=Eventer13;8467242]
Not saying an air embolism is totally out of the question, but horses (and ponies) generally require a lot of air to have any effect. You’d have to be very purposeful in injecting air to give enough in to kill a horse. The little bit that collects at the top of the syringe after filling it up is not going to do anything.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, but if the pony had an “undiagnosed pulmonary condition”, then it might have taken very little stress/trauma to trigger an event.

[DMK]

Anything is possible, but I recall one vet saying you can practically hook up an air compressor to a syringe and not cause a horse harm. So I would put that one in the highly unlikely scenario.

But as we know, there are plenty of endogenous substances you can inject in a horse - especially when you just push that plunger down fast - that are not particularly healthy for the horse. Statistically the odds are higher for that to happen versus “air”.