Right, because they didn’t do anything to deserve to be outcast, like sexually assaulting children or anything.
And sexually assaulting a child is just a moment in time. Screw the lasting impact on the kid, who cares. The real victim here is the pedophile. /s
Perhaps this wasn’t the best example of the point you are trying to make, RAyers.
Recidivism rates among child molesters and rapists: a methodological analysis - PubMed
Notice, you took a point to a massive extreme without me saying one word. I never mentioned children, you did. See how your own perception takes a simple concept and makes it into a worse situation.
By the way, the paper you cite has nothing about public shaming or public opinion in affecting recidivism. So, the question still stands.
It might not reduce their behavior but if it reduces their clientele who might otherwise be unaware that they do not have the knowledge to actually train horses with kindness then that is enough for me.
Notice the OP here is about an amateur.
You said “sex offender”. Are pedophiles not sex offenders?
And - note what doesn’t make the list - public shaming. Do you think there shouldn’t be public record of who is on this list?
Recidivism Among Child Molesters: A Brief Overview | Office of Justice Programs
“Researchers seem to have been more successful in identifying individual factors that are associated with recidivism, such as offenders who target children they are not related to are recidivism risks and child molesters who have a deviant pattern of sexual arousal are more likely to reoffend.”
EDIT: Also loving (/s)
“Simple concept” of “sex offender” and took it from a better to a “worse” situation. You have lost your marbles on this one, seriously.
I stand behind what I said. Even if it’s an amateur, if I were a trainer or barn owner, it would be nice to know who I’m bringing into my barn/program. I boarded at a barn with a boarder who is still staff at our local hunt club who would regularly beat her horses for taking one wrong step in the grooming stall. It was appalling and she was finally forced to leave. This person doesn’t compete in recognized shows so turning her in to USEA/USEF/FEI/etc. would do no good. She is just a horribly angry person and most of the other boarders feared her and didn’t want to say anything. Abusers should be outed, regardless of their status as a professional or amateur.
I think the best empirical paper about the effect of sex offender registries is this one: https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1079&context=articles. It uses state-time variation in two related policies, sex offender registration and sex offender notification. For the purposes of this discussion, registration is like a record kept by the USEF and notification is closer to posting videos online (though it really involves sending letters to neighbors about the presence of someone convicted of certain sex offenses in the neighborhood).
The paper finds that registration decreases crime by subjecting convicted sex offenders to higher scrutiny and monitoring by the authorities. Notification also reduces future sex crime, with different effects on the behavior of potential new offenders vs. the people actually registered and the subjects of notification. The authors write, “We also find that the implementation of a notification law, regardless of the number of registered offenders, is associated with a reduction in the frequency of sex offenses. One potential explanation for this effect, also consistent with our model, is that notification deters potential (nonregistered) offenders by increasing the punishment for committing a sex crime.” However, notification appears to increase future crime by previous offenders (by less than crime by others is deterred), and there are non-linear effects (the benefits of notification are smaller as registries become larger) and potential negative externalities (for example, a decline in housing values in neighborhoods where registered offenders live, which affect the assets of people not involved in the sex offense). I do not think that the negative externalities apply to sharing videos of people treating horses harshly or abusively, so some of the policy recommendations or cautions in the paper about sex offender registries may not be relevant.
I don’t think that the comparison to sex offenders is necessarily the correct one, but since you made it, there’s the (mixed) evidence.
In over 30 years of riding, competing, and grooming (including grooming at the very highest levels of the sport), I have never done anything as stupid or cruel as what the video or the report describe. I have absolutely handled situations differently in the past than I would now, but I have never even come close to repeatedly striking a horse, especially in the face, and especially when enough time has elapsed that there is no connection in the horse’s mind between the so-called “discipline” and the behavior that is to be negatively reinforced. Not only that, I have only seen two people do anything even remotely close to what is documented in the video or the report – two situations over 20 years apart, about which I immediately made my opinion known and in one case, immediately intervened.
I think it’s far more harmful to normalize instances like those in the video and report by saying something along the lines of “yes, that’s bad, but we’ve all done it and regret it,” than it is harmful to share the videos. Most horse people do not behave that way towards horses, because such behavior is unambiguously wrong and most people recognize that.
Uhm, that is simply not true just because YOU want it to be true. Are you saying the USEF report is gossip and personal opinion? I honestly don’t get your point here, why are you defending someone who hit their horse repeatedly because they got eliminated?
And this
You never cease to amaze me in your comparisons. This is not a compliment.
Public outing of sex offenders definitely leads to exposure to fewer victims. I can’t believe you even are using this as an example.
Hopefully public outing of these abusive trainers and riders will also lead to exposure to fewer victims, both human and animal.
i hope you turned her in to the hunt. Most hunts would want not a person behaving in such a manner in their hunt much less as staff.
I apologize to my horses every day, too. But I have never done anything like this.
My sins were things like not realizing that my ancient pony had Cushing’s, and was in pain from arthritis. Not knowing that a horse wasn’t continually “stepping on pieces of glass,” but likely had navicular syndrome. All due to my abysmal ignorance.
This is a whole other level.
Oh, I agree it is at a whole other level.
One of my sins was feeding that darn sweet feed thinking I was doing the best I could for my horse.
Yes, to this. Normalizing this kind of abusive behaviour is the real danger and threat to horses.
Yes, we may all have been stupid, we have all made mistakes, and we all have regrets, but how many of us have been intentionally cruel?
Cruelty and abuse have to be called out for the sake of the horses, without whom there would be no ‘sport’,
This is appalling.
Public outing of sex offenders, especially those who have offended against minors, gives people information they would otherwise not have in order to protect themselves or, more importantly, their children.
That this is not obvious to anyone is mind boggling.
ETA So, yes, public outing can very well lead to fewer offenses.
ETA again to say that public outing can give other victims the strength and courage to come forward, making it more difficult for offenders to brush off/deny allegations.
See how your own perception takes a simple concept and makes it into a worse situation.
Says the person who used sex offenders as an example on a thread about someone hitting a horse.
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