Been thinking a lot about my guy’s pedigree. He’s a great dog. Was curious if anyone else knew of or had a V-line descendant? I don’t know anything about GSD breedings or pedigrees, but he’s from a long working line, and I remember his breeder saying he was from some sort of “V-line”, his grandfather was an import. Anyone know anything or want to chime in?
I am not sure what this means? There are three basic “types”: showline, working and pet. And then there are subsets within those types.
You will often hear someone talk about a specific line within a type, such as the “Q” litter from Arminius (that are West German Showlines).
I am just not familiar with “V-lines”. There is the very common use of “Von” and “Vom” in registered names. It means simply “of” and I believe which you use is based on the gender of the dog.
Sometimes the “Vom” or “Von” is shortened to just “v”. My dog’s registered name is Tanner von TeMar. His breeder listed him as Tanner v TeMar on Pedigreedatabase.
There are too many dogs of wildly different lines using the “v” or the “Von” or the “Vom” to be considered a line of their own. Maybe ask the breeder for some clarification?
Or post his pedigree and see what people say? Maybe something will pop out?
Sheilah
ETA: Maybe they meant “V rated”, which is a show rating and seen in the West German Showlines and schutzhund competition?
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I am not sure what this means? There are three basic “types”: showline, working and pet. And then there are subsets within those types.
You will often hear someone talk about a specific line within a type, such as the “Q” litter from Arminius (that are West German Showlines).
I am just not familiar with “V-lines”. There is the very common use of “Von” and “Vom” in registered names. It means simply “of” and I believe which you use is based on the gender of the dog.
Sometimes the “Vom” or “Von” is shortened to just “v”. My dog’s registered name is Tanner von TeMar. His breeder listed him as Tanner v TeMar on Pedigreedatabase.
There are too many dogs of wildly different lines using the “v” or the “Von” or the “Vom” to be considered a line of their own. Maybe ask the breeder for some clarification?
Or post his pedigree and see what people say? Maybe something will pop out?
Sheilah[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the reply.
I figured this question may be a bit odd. His family line (tail male, I think?) IIRC, are all dogs with V names -as in, the first letter of their name is V. All working-line dogs. His damside is American. And, no, I didn’t mean “v” as in an indication of of/place - I know enough about dutch and german to know that meaning! 
I have lost contact with his breeder, but she has long since been out of the breeding scene. I think he was one of her last litters. At this point, I don’t have her as a contact any longer.
I have his pedigree tucked away somewhere, I can look for it tomorrow and maybe figure out who his sire line is. I just remember that the recent males in his pedigree all started with V, and that most of them were german.
Do the names look like this:
V Wallace aus Agrigento
If they do, then it is a show rating from schutzhund competition (now called IPO, I think).
Here is a copy and paste explanation:
VA Vorzüglich Auslese (Ger.) = Excellent Select - Show rating only awarded at the Sieger show in working class.
V Vorzüglich (Ger.) - Excellent - Show rating awarded in working class only. Also a SchH rating awarded to dogs who score 96 points or more out of 100 in SchH trail/competition.
I think this is what the breeder was talking about, if the “V” is coming before the name, as it does in the example I pulled from my dog’s pedigree.
I would be interested in seeing your dog’s pedigree. Although there are absolutely some working line dogs competing in schutzhund, the majority of those in the sport (and getting VA or V ratings) are West German Showlines.
Sheilah
ETA: I am just a pedigree nerd! I love looking at pedigrees! I apologize if asking to see your dog’s was too forward!
No, the names are words/names, like Volk, Vincent (just using V names here), Vander, etc. I can’t remember them. I can PM you
I don’t think his family is from schutzhund background. I could be wrong. I have no problem sharing his pedigree with you once I can find it!!
I am assuming it is in reference to Victor/Victrix titles on Shepherds. Obedience titles. Have not seen that term lately, but I am not that familiar with Shepherds.
Was breeder thinking it was the “V” litter for these dogs? I’ve seen lots of litter names that are connected with letters of the alphabet. IE, "…pups from “Ruger’s” and “Athena’s” “V” litter will be available in June 2014.
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I have lost contact with his breeder, but she has long since been out of the breeding scene. I think he was one of her last litters. At this point, I don’t have her as a contact any longer.
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Now I’m even more confused 
if you have the papers, isn’t the breeder listed?
Also the big GSD forums should be able to help as there is usually an active breeder presence (at least there was back in the day)
I haven’t had the chance to stop by the house and search for my guy’s puppy folder. But I did find the name of the breeder. I guess she is still in business - the breeder is called Schreila Farm. Looks like my guy’s stud is still around… wow!
To add: no, I’ll say it again. The V was NOT the litter letter or to signify any sort of status or placement. The V was, IIRC, the first letter of his father, grandfather, etc’s name.
Wow, a quick search on the name shows an active Facebook presence for her dogs. It looks like she is breeding all the lines: West German Showlines, working lines, American Showlines and pet lines that are (usually) based on American showlines.
I ran the most likely dog through Pedigree database and am a little stumped. The “V” is listed as a show rating on the link, but not listed as a show rating on that dog’s listing (show ratings are supposed to show up in red, which the “V” does on the link). That could be because the person who created the listing didn’t know what it meant and entered it incorrectly (the database is a user created system). The listing says the dog has a Schutzhund III, but there is nothing included on his database listing about his pedigree. If there is a schutzhund title on the dog, then the “V” is almost assuredly going to be a show rating. He does not come up on a Google search except for her Facebook and the database listing.
If you look on her Facebook page, she has a photo of the dog on her “business card” picture. If the picture labeled with that dog’s name is the correct dog, I would say he is either West German working lines or a mix of West German show and working lines. She has her kennel name in his registered name, so she either bred him or purchased him as a pup and registered him with her kennel name. I don’t think you can rename a dog or add on to a name once it has been registered?
This is so interesting! I love looking at pedigrees. I wish I knew more about the various lines and what they bring to the table.
Sheilah
To add to the discussion… sire’s name was Volk, we were told he was W.German/Czech lines.
Not sure what the V would stand for, as none of her dog’s used in breeding are titled in anything. So it’s not a breeding grade, it’s not a show title, & it’s not a IPO title.
Post more info on your pup/pedigree, might be able to figure it out then…
