Varnan Auto Waters?

I came to the unhappy realization this weekend that my frost free hydrant is shot and needs to be dug up and replaced. My husband, in his infinite wisdom, buried the line well below the frost line–five feet.

My bad back and I ain’t digging that sucker out, so I’m having a local dude whom I fondly refer to as “Super Dirt Boy” come on over and bring his Ditch Witch along for the ride, because if I’m digging a trench in one place, I might as well spend the money to dig more trenches, or at least one where I can a line to an auto waterer.

Said AW will be in between 2 stalls and shared. One horse thinks it’s cute to play with water and I don’t want to get a waterer with a press valve or ball, because I can figure out how that one will end: pony will be wearing water wings and doing the back stroke and having just the grandest ol’ time.

I came across the Varnans and am thinking of installing the 20" Super Insulated version–without the heater. I’m in Central Maryland, which gets cold, for sure, but rarely below zero for any extended length of time. My barn is…“airy,” so while the waterer would have shelter, I’m under no delusions that it’s really any warmer inside than out.

  1. Am I borrowing trouble to consider not doing the heater?
  2. Anyone else (other than Deltawave :winkgrin:) have this waterer?
  3. Is it really as easy to install as they say?

I don’t know anything about these, but man…it just seems risky to skip the heat. Interested in the feedback you’ll get here :slight_smile:

Uh, I’d find out how low the temperature got in their product testing. If it froze at 25 degrees or less, I’d get the heater. Granted MD doesn’t see that temp often or for a long time, but all it takes is one frigid night and you’re screwed.

Too bad pony plays…the Bar-Bar-A Horse Drinker would be great.

I think that Cobetts may be a better one if the Varnam type is preferred over the bar-bar bowls:

http://www.cobett.com

I think those have been proven to work in much colder places than where the OP’s is.

Ooh, I have two friends who have Varnans outside and they love them. I know one of them had a broken heater on her 24" model, which has less insulation than the one you’re talking about, and I think it did freeze. I asked her so if I’m wrong about that I’ll update.

I was looking into them recently and emailed the company. They replied promptly and recommended one of their models that could work without heat in Maryland. I was asking about pasture use so that should be comparable if your barn really is that airy. I think it was the super-insulated 20" but I can’t find the email… I would call or email them and ask some questions.

Is there electricity available near where you’ll put the waterer, in case you do need a heater in the future? I would suggest that if you’re going to dig a trench anyway, run electric to the waterer so you can add a heater if you need it.

The Cobetts are cool but cleaning them looks like a bear to me. You have to unscrew two bolts then lift out the whole basin to dump it. I guess the smaller model wouldn’t be too bad though since it only holds 5 gallons, compared to the larger model that holds 18 gallons. I like to dump, rinse, and refill every day so that would annoy me. Varnans have a drain plug in the bottom so you can reach in, drain it under the ground, and then refill.

Libby, you described perfectly why I was considering the Varnans first and the Cobetts second: that plug in the bottom to drain out. Lifting out a full tank isn’t going to be happy time for me (see aforementioned bad back, which I recently threw out by picking up a mere three flakes of hay, resulting in a week of either lying down on ice/heat or standing, but no sitting).

I can run the trench for electric as well and may well do so, but thought I’d poll the FOAK first.

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Libby, you described perfectly why I was considering the Varnans first and the Cobetts second: that plug in the bottom to drain out. Lifting out a full tank isn’t going to be happy time for me (see aforementioned bad back, which I recently threw out by picking up a mere three flakes of hay, resulting in a week of either lying down on ice/heat or standing, but no sitting).

I can run the trench for electric as well and may well do so, but thought I’d poll the FOAK first.[/QUOTE]

Ugh, I have back problems too so I can sympathize. I just installed auto waterers in the last few weeks and it’s AMAZING!

I would definitely run electric if you’re digging anyway. You don’t even have to install the receptacle yet if you don’t want to, just lay the line so you can do it later without digging again.

[QUOTE=Sing Mia Song;8916009]
Libby, you described perfectly why I was considering the Varnans first and the Cobetts second: that plug in the bottom to drain out. Lifting out a full tank isn’t going to be happy time for me (see aforementioned bad back, which I recently threw out by picking up a mere three flakes of hay, resulting in a week of either lying down on ice/heat or standing, but no sitting).

I can run the trench for electric as well and may well do so, but thought I’d poll the FOAK first.[/QUOTE]

That is a problem, maybe you can use a small bucket to dump some water out first, before lifting the waterer?

When I was looking at Varnam, that float valve turned me off them:

http://www.varnanwaterers.com/products/fillpro.html

We have a couple we tried to use here and there, but they never worked well for us, so we gave up on them and went back to the old float ball, like toilet bowls and Cobbett have.

Varnan Waterers - The BEST!

Do the Varnans! I love mine, expensive…but oh so worth it. Its one of the very best improvements I’ve done. I cant believe I lived without it so long. The installation cost is way less than the brands that require a concrete pad. The varnans are genius in their simplicity. My friends with the Nelson are always having difficulties. I bought the double walled one with the heater. But I didn’t have the heater hooked up for 3 brutal winters. I live in between Damascus and Mt Airy MD. Sub zero temps with no heater…I just did what the helpful Varnan guy said…took a small bucket and baled a little water out at each feeding. The geo thermal really works well. Just don’t drain the water out in extremely cold weather it will kill the geo thermal for a while.

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Varnans The BEST…continued

Sorry, but I just cant say enough great things about the Varnans!! I looked at and interviewed so many waterers before spending my money on the Varnan. My varnan sits completely outside of my barn. They are easy to clean, no heavy lifting, horses with muzzles have no trouble using them. The service from Varnan (mostly my panicked questions about having no heater in sub zero temps) has been wonderful. I have a TB mare that cribs and they make a anti crib ring that has worked perfectly to prevent her from tearing up the waterer. My “Dirt Man” did the installation when he trenched water lines quick and easy. Dig a deep hole, put big rocks in and connect. Personally I would always run the electric when I had the trench work done its a small cost compared to the cost of trenching. You will LOVE the Varnans. Come see mine in action …really

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More on the great Varnan waterer

Sorry, but I just cant say enough great things about the Varnans!! I looked at and interviewed so many waterers before spending my money on the Varnan. My varnan sits completely outside of my barn. They are easy to clean, no heavy lifting, horses with muzzles have no trouble using them. The service from Varnan (mostly my panicked questions about having no heater in sub zero temps) has been wonderful. I have a TB mare that cribs and they make a anti crib ring that has worked perfectly to prevent her from tearing up the waterer. My “Dirt Man” did the installation when he trenched water lines quick and easy. Dig a deep hole, put big rocks in and connect. Personally I would always run the electric when I had the trench work done its a small cost compared to the cost of trenching. You will LOVE the Varnans. Come see mine in action …really

Update: I had the most bizarre experience trying to get in touch with Varnan. I attempted to contact the companyby email to ask questions and get prices. At the same time, I emailed Nelson. Nelson got back to me immediately, answered all my questions, walked me through the pros and cons of going with just geothermal and adding a heating element, and offered me a 5% discount because of my USEF membership. They provided me with referrals to six experienced installers in my area with phone numbers and web sites.

Ten days after I had reached out to Varnan, I got a reply that provided about half the answers to my questions. The email had one of those “sent from my XX mobile device” taglines, so I don’t think it was a matter of email being down. I responded within 20 minutes thanking the person for the information, but that I had already gone with Nelson when I hadn’t heard back.

Three days later, I got another response to my original inquiry, as if the person didn’t realize they had already responded (It came from a personal account, not a “info@companyname.com” and was signed by the same person). I ignored it.

Four weeks after my original inquiry, I got another email from the same person, saying they hadn’t heard back from me and checking in to see if I had any questions! Very strange.

I figure any company that doesn’t respond in a timely fashion, answer my questions, and can’t seem to remember what correspondence we’ve already had doesn’t really want me to buy from them. [shrug]

But the Nelson is awesome!! And the installer I used (who works for the Baltimore Zoo) also offered me a deal on a secondhand water that I had them install in my donkey’s paddock, so now everyone will have auto water!

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Damn, I’m jealous of the discounts you got! Nelson didn’t offer me 5% off for USEF and was not helpful about local installers either. But I’m happy with the product so far.

I’m not that surprised about the experience you had with Varnan because my attempts to email them were somewhat similar (although I did get the information) and their website is a bit amateurish. Too bad because I think it’s a good product but when buying something like that I want complete confidence in support for it if something goes wrong.

Enjoy your auto waterers! Best thing ever, right? Did your donkey hesitate at all in learning to use it? My Nelson has been in for almost two months and the donkey still won’t drink from it because he’s so damn cautious!!! He took a sip once when I was there offering treats and moral support, but I have to put a bucket out just for him and it’s a pain now that we are getting temps below freezing.

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Update: I had the most bizarre experience trying to get in touch with Varnan. I attempted to contact the companyby email to ask questions and get prices. At the same time, I emailed Nelson. Nelson got back to me immediately, answered all my questions, walked me through the pros and cons of going with just geothermal and adding a heating element, and offered me a 5% discount because of my USEF membership. They provided me with referrals to six experienced installers in my area with phone numbers and web sites.

Ten days after I had reached out to Varnan, I got a reply that provided about half the answers to my questions. The email had one of those “sent from my XX mobile device” taglines, so I don’t think it was a matter of email being down. I responded within 20 minutes thanking the person for the information, but that I had already gone with Nelson when I hadn’t heard back.

Three days later, I got another response to my original inquiry, as if the person didn’t realize they had already responded (It came from a personal account, not a “info@companyname.com” and was signed by the same person). I ignored it.

Four weeks after my original inquiry, I got another email from the same person, saying they hadn’t heard back from me and checking in to see if I had any questions! Very strange.

I figure any company that doesn’t respond in a timely fashion, answer my questions, and can’t seem to remember what correspondence we’ve already had doesn’t really want me to buy from them. [shrug]

But the Nelson is awesome!! And the installer I used (who works for the Baltimore Zoo) also offered me a deal on a secondhand water that I had them install in my donkey’s paddock, so now everyone will have auto water![/QUOTE]

I had the same experience with them several years ago.When someone finally did get back to me I laughed. I said you must have TOO much business, be way TOO busy if it takes several weeks to get back to a potential customer and hung up.

I really don’t like doing business with companies that doesn’t give prices for their products. I understand there are reasons for not depending on the product. But these don’t needed to be costume made. My first email went into detail of what I wanted and that I was looking of buy several please give price that includes shipping.

I ended buying an Equispring paddock water. Very good over all design, no moving parts. Works with an off the self “water weight” shut off value so the amount of water in the bowl and being heated is easy to regulate. The value can be a weak link in the system if there is a sediment in the supply line. A $15 RV sediment filter takes care of that. I keep a replacement value on hand, $15 from Amazon. Very easy to replace.

The company that sells them were a bit of a PITA to deal with. Not much for customer appreciation. I made some modifications also

Maybe the company will go out of business and I could buy the “nuts and bolts” and apply my modifications. Step up the customer service big time. These are very easy to install and cheap to heat in cold winters. A bunch of horses can drink out of it at the same time.

I have Nelson in my small paddocks. Been there forever. The only thing on the farm I have never had to fix or fiddle with. I also hear and or read nothing but great things about their customer service. Don’t know personally I have never had to contract them.

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Enjoy your auto waterers! Best thing ever, right? Did your donkey hesitate at all in learning to use it? My Nelson has been in for almost two months and the donkey still won’t drink from it because he’s so damn cautious!!! He took a sip once when I was there offering treats and moral support, but I have to put a bucket out just for him and it’s a pain now that we are getting temps below freezing.[/QUOTE]

Not to totally derail this thread, but I’ve been lurking and am now wondering- do donkeys drink readily from auto-waterers ever?

My girl is highly suspicious of the water trough already; won’t even touch it when the tank heater is in it. Been window shopping for auto-waterers, but now I’m wondering if that’s a mistake with her in the mix?

Sorry for the derailement… just musing…

Glad you found Nelson, OP. My Nelsons are the greatest thing I have spent money on yet!!! The other day it was -14 with a -24 windchill when I got up and my nelsons were happily warm and functioning. Priceless!

I know I’m a bit behind on the reply’s for this posting, but for anyone else who comes across this who is doing research on waterers - If you are in the North East or anywhere that the temps get below freezing regularly during the winter… DO NOT purchase Varnan waterers for your farm. Our old owner had them installed in all of our paddocks thinking that it would save time and money… Boy was she mistaken, they have been nothing, but a headache and one plumbing bill after another. Ours even have the heating element inside, but they are no match for extreme cold. We’ve spent thousands over the past 2-3 years replacing valves and having our paddocks dug up because of pipes bursting underground.

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I know this post is old and the thread was bumped up for other reasons but I’m still curious about this. Tex, did you ever install one and how did your donkey handle it?

My mini-donk took a while to warm up to my Bar Bar A but now drinks from it very well, whereas he’s still very cautious about the Nelson.

Well, I did not install one. But I did move across country and I have been boarding the horses and donkey at a place with Nelsons. She drinks from the Nelsons, but VERY suspiciously. I think this picture pretty much sums up how my donkey feels about Nelsons, as she assumes the “lean and prepare to bolt” position. :lol:
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I have serious doubts she would adapt to a Bar Bar A or anything that required more “work” to access the water. But maybe I’m underestimating her if your guy learned!

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Ha!!! That’s adorable. My guy does the opposite…front hooves as far away as possible and neck stretched all the way out. Always ready to bolt too. I think he prefers the Bar Bar A because he doesn’t have to stick his nose as far down into the bowl. Also maybe he likes that the water gushes out immediately (predictably) instead of sometime mid-drink. That’s my best stab at donkey psychology anyway…