venice rurpentine made soles soft/slough?

[TheHorseComesFirst]

has anyone experienced when using venice turpentine ( hereafter known as VP) that their horses soles actually softened?

I was using Durasole to harden/expand the keratin cells of the soles and it was working fairly well, the soles were hardening but not seeming to get thicker

My farrier suggested to try Venice Turpentine and I did and it seemed his soles became soft and the hardened part from the Durasole actually sloughed off in chunks, leaving the sole tender and able to be flexed with thumb pressure!

( yes, I am aware of retained sole and if that was the case I still would have liked to keep some of it on this thin soled horse).

has anyone experienced this!?

[findeight]

No…how often are you painting the sole with it?

[monstrpony]

I have one with thin, somewhat sensitive soles; Venice Turpentine + oil of wintergreen was suggested. I found that it made the sole a bit flaky as well. Was applying it about every other day.

[MontysGal]

Huh, never had that experience with it and I asked and confirmed with my farrier there’s no way to overdo it with VT… Weird.

[Laurierace]

Dumb question. Are you sure it was Venice turpentine and not turpentine? Either way, no I have never had that problem.

[danacat]

Sounds like it might have been the combination of the two products – applied perhaps? not far enough apart in time?..and their properties just didn’t play well together. Just a thought…

[csaper58]

VT on dry hooves will harden them.

VT on wet hooves or in a wet environment seals in too much moisture.

JMO

[TheHorseComesFirst]

My farrier asked me if I was applying VT and I said yeah but the outcome was not good and he replied " oh, did it soften his soles instead?" so it must not be that far out of the realm of possibility.

Every other day was the rate of application.

Yes it was Venice Turpentine, the kind labeled for hoofs .

I wish I took some pictures.

Maybe what csaper58 said , his hoofs might have been a bit wet…but I don’t think so, we were having a dry spell.

[runNjump86]

I’m betting on the VP was applied too soon after the Durasole. I used VP religiously before leaving CA to try and harden up my horse’s soles and never had an issue. I also didn’t get the results I was hoping for.

I started using Durasole a few months ago and I have been SUPER impressed. The custom shoe we had for a couple cycles was starting to cause his frog to collapse, so I needed something that would harden the frog/sole/heels. I used it per the instructions and was absolutely amazed. Now that we’re back to wet weather I’m going to be using it daily again.

[CFFarm]

Answer to a question at roundtable discussion:

A: I use Venice turpentine when I need an astringent, which causes the sole to exfoliate and get tougher. It’s used for sore-sole issues, thin soles, etc. Most of the products on the market that offer sole relief have Venice turpentine in them.

There are several types of turpentine products on the market. Pure Venice turpentine is produced from Western larch tree rosin. Venice turpentine is an age-old product that’s been used as an astringent in both the medical and farrier fields.

An astringent causes biological or exposed tissues to contract, shrink or draw together. Used on sore-soled horses, thin-soled horses or when you need a tougher sole, Venice turpentine is very effective.

— Esco Buff, Ph.D., Webster, N.Y.

• See more at: https://www.americanfarriers.com/articles/520-farriers-roundtable#sthash.o65ZfIbr.dpuf

Maybe it’s exfoliating first?

[Xanthoria]

Durasole always causes a big block if sole to form that comes off in chunks eventually for me. Then you’re back to square one.

[Scribbler]

[QUOTE=Xanthoria;8867910]
Durasole always causes a big block if sole to form that comes off in chunks eventually for me. Then you’re back to square one.[/QUOTE]

Interesting! I’ve been wondering about these formaldehyde products (Durasole, Keratex) and thinking that must be how they work: they preserve more of the sole that otherwise would wear off, in other words creating more retained sole. It would make sense that eventually it would exfoliate, as the new sole would push through, and that the preserved sole would come off in a chunk.

[Xanthoria]

Yeah never worked at all on pasture kept horses for me as mine are on a pretty abrasive surface. One on stall rest developed huge thick soles and they dropped out in a big chunk as soon as handwalking started… feh.

[Kolsch]

[QUOTE=Xanthoria;8867910]
Durasole always causes a big block if sole to form that comes off in chunks eventually for me. Then you’re back to square one.[/QUOTE]

It does that for me as well. It’s why I no longer use it.

[invinoveritas]

Turpentine usually makes soles harder.
But I’ve found that it is best of use a product with venice turpentine in it, as the “pure” venice turpentine burns my horses so I only used it once.

Iodine will harden hooves.

Don’t mix anything. Don’t use Dura sole and venice turpentine or iodine one after the other. Use one, if you do not like the results then wait a week or two and switch to another product. Don’t use something too strong. There is a reason that products are cut with fillers, not just to make money but to keep from having too strong a substance on the hoof.

[RodeoHunter]

Me too…it seemed to over-dry my horse’s feet and they became shelly and crumbly.

[TheHorseComesFirst]

Durasole is suppose to work by expanding the keratin cells of the sole allowing them to become thicker. to protect the structures, or so I read…

There was a good 2 weeks or more before I switched to the VT after the durasole.

a little gun-shy now about trying VT again.

[PeteyPie]

All I know is that Venice Rurpentine sounds like a villain in a Lemony Snicket novel.

[EmilyM]

I use VT religiously. I clean hooves, paint on the VT and pack shavings over it so the shavings are actually the part of the “sole” being worn down, not actual sole.