Very costly mistakes of Isabelle and Anky

[Kenike]

one more thing to add:

My husband, who is somewhat horsey but doesn’t know or fully appreciate movement, etc, was so overly impressed with CKD and Mythilus yesterday. He didn’t know who they were, so no bias.

He kept saying things like “wow, look how fluid that horse is!” “It’s like the horse and rider are one being,” “do you see how flexible and relaxed his jaw is? How do you do that?” “I hope those two win, they’re flawless and beautiful!”

When he later learned that they were part of the American team, coupled with Mythilus being a local horse, he was even more a fan for them. If a mostly untrained eye can see this, that should say how great they are.

He watched Isa and Anky’s rides with me just a moment ago. He was much less impressed, mistakes aside. I didn’t tell him anything, he just watched over my shoulder. “both those horses were tense. How can they be leading the horse I liked yesterday?”

I can’t exactly explain it to him, but it’s one of the things I love about him.

[NRB]

what about the non halt at X at the end for Salerno? I guess that’s the norm for them? Anky just salutes very quickly and then they go marching off. Did they get scored low for that? I followed the link provided and went to the GP scores but never found the break down of individual judges scores for the movements.

I agree that I loved CKD’s rides I thought they were so fluid and to my eyes flawless. I guess that’s one of the reasons I get fustrated with dressage.

[evenstar]

with the odd 6 from Gary Rockwell (not sure what his rationale was

Applecore, I think that’s the “safe six” - he was looking away and didn’t see it! :lol::lol::lol:

[Mardi]

How dressage is scored vs rail classes…

The scoring is one of the many things I like about dressage: receiving a score for each required movement. And I love the “bonus points” (coefficients). And the immediate availablilty of scores and comments is invaluable.

I used to show western pleasure in a previous horse life. Although I had a top horse who went very well and won his share of championships, if there was a certain BNR in the class, she’d win. Always.

She even won a trail class although her horse crashed through an obstacle (my dad was irate).

Anyway, clearly all the judges at all the horse shows thought that her horse was better. Which is fine. But unlike dressage, those of us left behind in the lineup never knew WHY we didn’t win or place higher, or why she was so great.

So we’d go home, and like idiots, try again the next weekend.

[Mardi]

Oh ! Forgot to say…

Currently in western trail classes each obstacle is scored. A friend who is a scribe for trail classes at the bigger Arabian shows tells me that often a judge will score a horse, and then compare it to the scores he gave for other horses in the class.

If the judge has a horse he wants to win, he changes the scores, adds them up himself, and then hands in the scoresheet.

At least in dressage someone other than the judges adds up the scores…

[Kenike]

Wow, Mardi…that’s just wrong!!

And I totally agree with you on the scoring thing for dressage. It’s a very good thing :yes:

[egontoast]

Applecore, I think that’s the “safe six” - he was looking away and didn’t see it

haha I think you are right. I’ve scribed for judges like that !:lol:

[dressagetraks]

I, too, like the dressage scoring system.

And you know, even from rides of mine that I thought were not fairly scored or judges I didn’t like, I have almost always found at least one thing, usually more, in the comments or remarks that I could learn from and work to improve myself and my horse.

[nero]

Wow, from some of the reports I would have thought Anky really bombed the GPS. But, gee, I’m going against popular opinion here and saying, having now just watched both GPS of her and Isabell, I would have scorded Anky higher. Yes the breaks in trot hp were there, but she still completed the movement, and well, and I think the rest of the test was better than Satchmo’s, more oomph in the extensions, better p and p by far. I’m going to be sad if Anky does not win, but I fear she won’t. Isabell’s test, bar the throw down, was great also, but I think Anky maybe should have scored overall a bit higher.
(must say the you tube version I saw of Anky’s test was a bit rough, so can’t be 100% sure I didn’t miss other issues with Anky’s test, but it looked good to me)

[superpony123]

i just finished watching (had it recorded) and must say i am not happy with anky being in 2nd for the GP. i really think steffen’s test went much nicer. salinero was SOOOOOOOO tense, it really didnt look too good. sure, they might fit better in 3rd or 4th, but with steffens lovely test i really think they shouldve gotten a little bit higher score than anky. as for isabelle, i think her test was absolutely fantastic except for that little spooky refusing to do the piaffe (or was it passage? i dont recall exactly). such a lovely horse, great transitions, very flowing and definately not all tensed up like salinero was.

looking forward to see the freestyle.

anyways, i was definately expecting salinero to take the lead and go into 1st when satchmo refused/spooked, but the rest of isabelles test was so fantastic, i guess those extra 9’s she had there gave her that extra 1%.

i am hoping isabelle will overtake anky in the freestyle as well. this will be an interesting face off!

[Equa]

I suspect it looks quite different on TV than it does live. The images I saw of the camera angles (on the big screen, which would have been the same as for the live feed) were a bit odd. I didn’t think Salinero was any hotter than Ravel - just better balanced and more fluid. There were certainly hotter, tighter horses than either of these in the GP!

With regard to tension/brilliance/submission (Beverley) - submission and good training is also demonstrated by the ability to recover calmness, throughness AND power following on from a wild “real horse” moment. If there is no real recovery, and the horse gets more uptight, then that should result in a low submission score.

And robotic, compliant horses can actually truly lack suppleness and submission, except it’s harder for Joe Public to tell, unless they have a rhythm or line deviation.

If every deviance from dreary perfection was hammered in dressage as it apparently is in Hunters and WP, you’d probably find even more weirdness than the dreaded hyperflexion used to ensure compliance!

[nero]

Its interesting how different people see things, I don’t see that much tension in Salinero anymore, a little, but basically because’s he’s excited, and fired up, not because he is stressed, his ‘tension’ or exuberance or whatever, doesn’t bother me at all. Horses for courses.

I think he used to have tension because he was a nervous nelly, but he’s certainly settled considerably in the past three to four years.

But yes Satchmo is more chilled out, I like him too very much but in a different way. I think Sal’s special, an uber pony because of his work ethic, charsima (can a horse have charisma) and talent. It’s a very personal thing obviously.

I think Salinero’s a bit like Michael Phelps, hyperactive, super talented, a bit fidgety and just so eager to work it’s scary . This can turn people off or on. In people I don’t like it, in horses I don’t mind so much!

[Sabine]

[QUOTE=superpony123;3451725]
i just finished watching (had it recorded) and must say i am not happy with anky being in 2nd for the GP. i really think steffen’s test went much nicer. salinero was SOOOOOOOO tense, it really didnt look too good. sure, they might fit better in 3rd or 4th, but with steffens lovely test i really think they shouldve gotten a little bit higher score than anky. as for isabelle, i think her test was absolutely fantastic except for that little spooky refusing to do the piaffe (or was it passage? i dont recall exactly). such a lovely horse, great transitions, very flowing and definately not all tensed up like salinero was.

looking forward to see the freestyle.

anyways, i was definately expecting salinero to take the lead and go into 1st when satchmo refused/spooked, but the rest of isabelles test was so fantastic, i guess those extra 9’s she had there gave her that extra 1%.

i am hoping isabelle will overtake anky in the freestyle as well. this will be an interesting face off![/QUOTE]

rule number 1: a newcomer doesn’t get first place, or second place…maybe third on a good day…(Steffen was a newcomer- in the sense that his horse was not seen there before…Courtney for that matter was a complete new-comer- (except for the 2 or 3 shows she competed in in Germany with a DIFFERENT, KNOWN horse…)
rule number 2: after the competitions starts- there is a certain pecking order…the top three are rarely displaced…
rule number 3: (said tongue in cheek…) the marks are often kind of ‘set’ and the judges have a hard time abandonning their plan…