Very premature foal

In this most recent TikTok video, the vet did not seem enthusiastic at all. I sensed a tone of resignation (?) to her voice. She said something like, “With Seven it’s four steps forward and three steps back.” (I probably have the number of steps wrong).

Perhaps the only scintilla of positivity is that maybe the vets are learning better treatment options and care protocols that might help other foals and horses in the future. Yet still, at what point does that become torturing a living being now for the sake of knowledge in the future? I certainly hope the lead vet knows the answer to that question and has the backbone at some point to say enough is enough.

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I haven’t commented on this thread before, but reading that they want to fuse a fetlock on a six-month old baby is just horrible.

I had a horse with a fused fetlock. She also had limited mobility in the knee (she degloved her leg from the knee down and if I had to do it over, I would have put her down, but this was a long time ago). She was ‘pasture sound,’ but I know now the quality of life she had wasn’t great; we had to make constant adjustments for her, including how we trimmed her. Snow and mud were difficult for her to navigate at times.

The surgery this foal had may not be quite the same thing my mare faced, but still. It’s not something I would ever choose to do. For a baby whose natural instinct should be to run and play, I can’t see how this is ever going to lead to any meaningful, successful outcome.

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That may have been your experience with one vet school. It has not been my experience over 20+ years of interaction with the vets at UTK.

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I used plurals. So more than one vet school.
I’m glad your experiences were different.

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Latest update

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNv8gkw2/

The foal can barely move. What is the point of keeping him alive? He did this weird little hop thing that looked very uncomfortable. Let him go!

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Our foal this year had similar issues (312 days so not AS early but had the complicating factor of also being a twin, so he was also tiny and underdeveloped), and went through a lot including splints, different leg supports, and a bladder surgery. The difference is I felt like he was pretty much always on an upswing. We did not think he would survive at first, but each day he kept wanting to live and things kept improving. He legs looked bad for awhile, but he was always perky and active.
I don’t envy Seven’s owner’s position at all. Way less people know who I am and I still got plenty of unwanted opinions on mine. There’s no winning to the public, so hopefully everyone involved will just do whatever is in the foal’s best interest.

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That she thinks this poor foal, if he survives, is going to babysit weanlings…ugh And pretty much saying that the fusion surgery was not a big deal. That poor baby. What are the other shaved areas from on him aside from an IV and the towel over where they did the bone graft.

If he is doing so great, she should post a walking video of him.

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I’ve followed KVS on FB for a while and someone made a comment about her on the forums - maybe it was this thread and it really changed how I see her content on social media in a more critical way. She has in the past humanly euthanized a foal for failure to thrive. Seven is more complicated, but I don’t see where this is going to turn out successful. Sometimes even if you can fix something doesn’t mean getting there or the aftercare is fair. I don’t see where he has the will to live outside of pure survival instinct. The expression on his face from the videos, and maybe I’m anthropomorphizing, doesn’t give me a good feeling. He looks like an empty shell.

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I wonder if there’s some sort of genetic component going on here. He is SO small. He should be more like 13h by now… it appears he is not even 10. His face shape looks off to me too, dished like you see in dwarf horses.

If he was mine and I had the money I would have continued treatment up until his fetlock infection. I’ve seen casts/braces work out really well. But fusing a joint when the foal is still growing seems like a terrible idea.

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Ours is only a little over 11hh at 7 months old, and his mom is HUGE. Even with that, I was surprised when they said that foal was only like 9hh?? But he’s also had a lot less movement in his life to build any sort of muscles or anything… I agree the fetlock fusion probably would have been a stopping point for me.

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Yep. Let’s make the goal to have a young horse with compromised mobility put out with high energy horses that will be more agile and likely learn they can harass the living hell out of unsound little guy. What could possibly be wrong with that plan….

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Exactly.

If he survives to make it to his “dream job” of babysitting weanlings I would suspect he will be the lowest one in the pecking order or herd hierarchy. What is she thinking?

I agree he looks very dwarfish. He is a pathetic little creature and I find it hard to believe he isn’t suffering from chronic low grade pain. Having his body contorted like that, with a very limited range of motion, can’t be comfortable.

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Yours looks ‘normal’ to me in the pics you posted in May to me though. Correctly proportioned. Seven doesn’t look that way, even ignoring that the orthotics may impact the way he is standing. His head/neck are odd and so is his hind end. And not in a ‘he’s in a fugly growth stage way’.

(Random tangent incoming): In college I took a genetics course (one of my favorite classes) and we learned about how in recent (except not really recent anymore :rofl: ) years they have discovered a whole plethora of genetic mutations and diseases that cause babies to die. While it couldn’t be proven, it was speculated that many babies that had died of SIDS actually had died of any number of undiagnosed genetic mutations. Some of them show lots of symptoms. Some of them show almost none until things just stop working. The human genome is WAY more studied than the equine one. I wonder if she’s fighting an uphill battle against a genetic flaw that is causing his symptoms; joint weakness, small size, lethargy (I’ve never seen a video of this horse actually show any amount of excitement for anything), lack of muscle tone, etc.
anyways. Tangent over.

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I’m assuming it’s sedated a large part of the time? I mean, what foal doesn’t want to act up in a way that would destroy these legs?

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I’ve followed KVS since before Seven was born and as far as I can tell the foal is not on long term sedatives. When it was younger they had a hard time even getting him to stand up. Every activity they have wanted him to do he doesn’t seem to want to participate. I can’t imagine they would be sedating an animal that would much rather lay around than stand up on his own.

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Not sure you meant this post for what it really is. This post clearly says everything most of us have been saying. LET HIM GO! ENOUGH!

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We are in a bit of a goofy growth stage now :laughing:

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Look at that chestnut side eye :rofl: The attitude. I love chestnuts

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He has a personality for sure!!

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